Stream-entry: Would you know?

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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by paul » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:51 pm

Virtue is the foundation of samadhi and panna. Precepts are training rules, and it is more important to experience the relationship between sila's influence on samadhi and insight. To go beyond faith, the priority is to experience the dynamics of the path.

"The three divisions of the Noble Eightfold Path provide the check against this threefold layering of the defilements. The first, the training in moral discipline, restrains unwholesome bodily and verbal activity and thus prevents defilements from reaching the stage of transgression. The training in concentration provides the safeguard against the stage of manifestation. It removes already manifest defilements and protects the mind from their continued influx. But even though concentration may be pursued to the depths of full absorption, it cannot touch the basic source of affliction — the latent tendencies lying dormant in the mental continuum. Against these concentration is powerless, since to root them out calls for more than mental calm. What it calls for, beyond the composure and serenity of the unified mind, is wisdom (pañña), a penetrating vision of phenomena in their fundamental mode of being."---"The Noble Eightfold Path", Bikkhu Bodhi.

"There is the case where a monk is wholly accomplished in virtue, moderately accomplished in concentration, and moderately accomplished in discernment.
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"With the wasting away of [the first] three fetters, he is one who has seven more times at most. Having transmigrated and wandered on among devas and human beings, he will put an end to stress.”—-AN 3:86
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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by xofz » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:18 pm

I don't mean to be too blunt (and this may come off as a little rough), but stream entrants are surer about their stream entry than they were that they lost their virginity, right when it happened. There is absolute, indefatigable certainty.
becoming aware!

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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by Garrib » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:07 am

xofz wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:18 pm
I don't mean to be too blunt (and this may come off as a little rough), but stream entrants are surer about their stream entry than they were that they lost their virginity, right when it happened. There is absolute, indefatigable certainty.
How can you be so sure of this?

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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by SarathW » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:39 am

xofz wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:18 pm
I don't mean to be too blunt (and this may come off as a little rough), but stream entrants are surer about their stream entry than they were that they lost their virginity, right when it happened. There is absolute, indefatigable certainty.
Are you make this statement from your experience?
If yes, can you share it with us?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by Crazy cloud » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:38 pm

Find out who is asking about stream entering and discover that the answer is the stream ..

:smile:
If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you

We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain

Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters

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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by Saengnapha » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:53 am

I think a stream winner is not concerned with stages but with the fulfillment of the Buddha's Eightfold Path as a complete activity in each moment. It is a total immersion of one's life, activities, internal and external, in Dhamma, not in yourself, your narrative, the 'I' maker. This would require an upheaval of one's orientation from the bottom up. Buddhism seems to outline this quite well.

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Re: Stream-entry: Would you know?

Post by chownah » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:43 am

Crazy cloud wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:38 pm
Find out who is asking about stream entering and discover that the answer is the stream ..

:smile:
:goodpost:
chownah

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