karmic cause of schizophrenia

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Post by chownah » Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:46 pm

WilsonBond,
I'm not telling you to take medications or to not take them....it means nothing to me...I want you to decide for yourself....for you to decide for yourself you must first learn about the medications which are available and the effect they are likely to have. Also you must learn whether you will have the choice to stop the medications if you wish and which might be physically addictive and thus difficult to stop.

I urge you to not take a few people's experiences alone as being adequate for making such an important decision.....ask a doctor...or two...get a list of possible medications and study their effects and side effects and whether they are easy to stop or not. Develop as much expertise as you can on the subject. The fact is that new medications are being created regularly and from what I have heard the nightmare reactions which were common with the drugs used before are no longer typical with the drugs available today....but you must be the judge of that so get busy and starting finding out....maybe you will decide to not take any of them but it is best if you make that decision by knowing the facts and not relying on just rumors.
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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:32 pm

WilsonBond wrote:
Think about geting medication
I will see a psychiatrist as soon as I get health insurance. My close relatives tell me not to take medication under any circumstances, because they've seen the long term effects of medication. Thanissaro Bhikkhu also specifically told me not to find a therapist that would medicate me (not for schizophrenia but for another issue), but to find one to help me deal with these issues without medication. There is this one family friend who has to stay in a mental ward for the rest of his life because the medication caused permanent brain damage. His parents regret ever having him put on medication. I'm glad the medication works for you, but I will try a different path for now until something really bad happens. Thanks for the warning. As for the staying in seclusion for 4 years part, I was under the impression that the Buddha praised seclusion and that was part of the practice.
I don't know what the other problem is so I cannot really give an opinion. Venerable Thanissaro is much, much wiser than me so I'm confident that he's giving good advice. But he's giving advice on this other problem, not your possible schizophrenia. But it's really strange these side efects that you talk about. I never heard of a medication so strong that would cause permanent brain damage. Anyway, I take risperidone which is a safe medication and fairly recent. With neuroleptics there's always the danger of neuroleptic malignant syndrome, but it's very rare.

Regarding the seclusion, seclusion is good if you are able to practice, which I wasn't. Seclusion without practice is just boredom and loneliness. And that's really the worst part of schizophrenia: to lose the ability to practice. Fortunately I was able to recover enough to practice a satisfactory amount of time, but there's no guarantee.

I second chownah's advice to get yourself informed on the various medications there are, and their side efects. With your doctor and online.
"He turns his mind away from those phenomena and, having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' " - Jhana Sutta

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Post by rowyourboat » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:57 pm

I wonder if anyone tried these methods on hallucinations or delusions:

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Re: karmic cause of schizophrenia

Post by RickF » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:37 pm

As a person with this disease, who Googled this question, I found the posts interesting. Thank you to the person who asked the original question, and thank you to the persons who answered. As mentioned I think that seeking help and taking care of what is happening in this life now....(for "me" that means taking my meds, and seeing my psychiatrist, and therapist) is probably more important than why it happened. This is what I have to work with, and I am very blessed to have met the dharma in this lifetime and realize its help, even if I am ill. I have only been meditating daily, reading the Dharma, and practicing with a sanga for a little over a year. I believe that I am suffer less now that I am practicing, and trying to follow the precepts. "I" personally am very thankful for modern medicine. True I am not cured, but thankfully I don't have to be totally out of my mind, locked up, or homeless, and I think I am sick enough that that could of happened, it has happened to some of my friends. Sometimes when I think of the poor people who have or had no access to medicine (that may have been helpful) because they lived before, or its just not available....I consider it very sad. "I" only speak for myself. I have friends who tell me they don't find the medicines helpful. I think it is best if a person is healthy enough to make up their own mind. Unfortunately sometimes it "appears" in the news that someone commits a crime that "may" not of happened had they been on meds. Really only that person knows. And how many "normal" people commit crimes? The fact is the news story will propagate stigma, even though from what I have read, people with schizophrenia are more likely to be the victims of crime than the other way around. That all said "I" personally am grateful for my meds. I did not become ill due to illegal drug use in this life, my best guess "scientifically" genetics. Thank you for the spritual Buddhist perspective, that's why I Googled

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