Wiki article, strange claims concerning Brahman & Buddhism

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Wiki article, strange claims concerning Brahman & Buddhism

Post by Bunjers » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:50 pm

Came across the wiki article on Brahman whilst researching for a uni essay (on hindu philosophy.) please see here:" onclick=";return false; towards the bottom of the page

There is a section on 'Brahman in Earliest Buddhism' (even though it talks under the same section about the later Mahayana Lalitavistara and Shurangama Sutras I'm not sure if they count as all that early???)
There are a number of references to places in the Nikayas where it interpolates the word 'Brahman' in place of Brahma (which actually just means 'divine' right? without any meaning of the cosmic Brahman.)
If I'm understanding it right, it seems to want to argue the Buddha was teaching some kind of Vedanta and claiming the 'Brahma' in brahmavihara is really talking about Brahman!

It's not very well referenced or anything, worryingly just a reference to an obscure german paper, a theosophist article amongst over things.

Would like to see if you can make any sense of it - I get the idea it's total nonsense! One of the first times I've come across something which appears so misleading on wiki.

Ok thanks very much everyone :smile: Peace
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Re: Wiki article, strange claims concerning Brahman & Buddhism

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:04 pm

It was written by Ken Wheeler (who has a number of other names), self proclaimed ex-Buddhist monk and buddhologist:" onclick=";return false;

You should have seen the anatta entry, which is still rather crappy, but was far worse when he had his way with it.
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Re: Wiki article, strange claims concerning Brahman & Buddhism

Post by Kenshou » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:05 pm

Yeah, it's pretty nonsensical. That whole section would probably be better of deleted, it seems pretty useless and uninformative.

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Re: Wiki article, strange claims concerning Brahman & Buddhism

Post by Nibbida » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:49 pm

"I give lectures on Buddhism as a Sramanic school of Advaita vedanta, and that its teachings in no way support the nihilistic view of modern secular Buddhism which is anti-foundationalist in nature and contrary to the Nikayas, to doctrine."
Furthermore the primary origins of anti-foundationalism emerged concurrently with those that allowed doctrinal seepage into advaita and Sramanic hagiography. Nihilistic irregularities among the Dhammic exegetes proved anathema to commentarial secular functionalist claims. Bleep blop blippity flop. Bip-de-bip-de-boo. Whop bop a loo-bop, a whop bam-boom.

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