Dhammanando wrote:Hi DarkDream,DarkDream wrote:Thanissaro Bhikku has written a lot on dependent orgination and in this audio teaching:
http://www.audiodharma.org/mp3files/2007-05-05_ThanissaroBhikkhu_DependentCo-arising-01of10-GuidedMeditation.m3u where he is critical of the three lives model because if you eliminate ignorance (first link in the chain) you will have to wait a couple of lives later to see the result of it.
I haven't time to listen to the talk, but if you are stating T's view accurately then it is utter nonsense. None of the schools which taught the 3-life interpretation held that the result of eliminating ignorance is only experienced after another couple of lives.
I appreciate your response. I apologize for I did provide the wrong audio link. The one I intended is this one: http://www.audiodharma.org/mp3files/2007-05-05_ThanissaroBhikkhu_DependentCo-arising-02of10-Intro-QandA.m3u
Around 7:13 in the audio Thanissaro Bhikkhu says the following (forgive me if I have transcribed it wrong):
If it happend [dependent origination] only over many life times, you wouldn't know if the path worked. Suppose you put an end to ignorance. Would it really work? You would have to wait three lifetimes to find out.
I hope I have given his position fairly. One may need to hear the audio more to gain the context of this quote correctly.
Bhikkhu Buddhadasa writes in this article http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books6/Bhikkhu_Buddhadasa_Paticcasamuppada.htm something along the same lines:
The eleven states are mutually dependent in a complete process of dependent arising. As stated in the Pali suttas, there is no gap between any of the states. Therefore, it is not necessary to classify the first two states as belonging to the past, the next ten states to the present, the remaining state to the future, and thereby explain a process of dependent arising as encompassing three lifetimes. If it is explained as encompassing three lifetimes, how can one take advantage of dependent arising and cultivate to end suffering, when the “cause” is in the present life and the “fruit” is in another?
I am curious what is you response to these quotes. Would you consider them "utter nonsense"?