first of all thanks for the debate
Now to argue
So is this DETERMINED BY PAST CAUSESclw_uk wrote:
So things that happen now are determined on past causes yes?
Things happening now are conditioned by past causes (could be trillions of causes).
Is my acceptence of the 4NT's determined by past causes or was their a choice in accepting them?
Yes or no
Alex - Your acceptance of 4NT is due to many causes:
a) Knowing the fact of 4NT. This required you to hear or read about them.
b) If you found out about them from someone else, there needed to be specific causes for you to be at the right place and the right time to hear or read about 4NT.
c) Not only is hearing/reading about them is required, but sufficient paññā is required to accept 4NT.
Some people do not have required paññā to make a choice to accept 4NT. Some believe in Zeus, Jehovah, the "World is Nice", etc.
Yes or no?
You saidYou had no choice given your wisdom (paññā), and other many causes to choose to believe in anything other than 4NT
(such as belief in Zeus).
Ok so say I live with abusive parents (i dont) who believe in Zeus. They tell me everyday to worship him, tell me he is real and make me attend religious services in his name for 30 years. However I dont believe in Zeus
Why would this be so? Determinism cant work because "I" had been determined since birth to worship Zeus but yet I choose not to
Sorry Alex but you show your card here.Alex wrote:
So the situation is not hopeless.
If it is determined then it is "hopeless" since their is no choice, there is just the ball of string
Alex - Being determined for Parinibbāna is great news.
Makkhali Gosala also thought in terms of being determined for release (in whatever way he saw that)
And so do you
Hard fact is that the Buddha was also a pragmatistThe determinsim you speak about is a wrong view that damages many