Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

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Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Post by villkorkarma » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:03 pm

IN a book of willuiam hart he interwies and goneka speaks self to he says in the book this:

meditators dont try to reach a special hapinessstate or extaczystate and then he speaks about right koncentration.

Hw can this be?
All meditarors try to reach a hapineesstate so what is he meaning?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Post by Fede » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:16 pm

No.
If you are "trying" to reach a happy state, you are meditation with the incorrect intention, and incorrect view, or objective.
Meditation is not about reaching a state of happiness.
Meditation is about abiding in the moment, and letting things arise, drift and pass without attaching any importance or significance to them.
You observe the thoughts that come to your mind, but you do not hold on to them, or focus on them.
Let things be, do not participate in anything that arises, but notice them... and let them go.
Observe your body as you breathe, in and then out.
Rest in calm abiding and simply sit.

serenity, happiness, inner peace, joy.... these develop within meditation and outside of it.
But they are not the objective.

I hope you understand my English, and that I have put forward my own opinion, clearly enough for you. :)
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Post by altar » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:06 pm

Actually what is wrong with having such intention?

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Post by Fede » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:07 pm

happiness is a bi-product. it is not the goal.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Post by Ben » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:18 pm

Hi villkorkarma
If you quote exactly what is written, in context, it will aid discussion.
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loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Post by villkorkarma » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:51 pm

Do you mean that to be objective isnt good at all?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Post by villkorkarma » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:56 pm

im not englishtalking but google translated it to be neutral can i say (objektiv)
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Post by Ben » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:16 pm

I understand that you are speaking another language and you are using google to translate to English.
It must make discussion or raising issues difficult.
But in order to get to the truth with regards to what Mr Goenka or William Hart said, we need to examine the text.
I no longer have copies of Art of Living, despite returning from India with a box of Hart's book in 1990.
In answer to your question, being objective is excellent.
kind regards

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Post by villkorkarma » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:03 pm

But we must agree on this point i think: meditators try to reach a happiness state
but they do it on different ways, thank you all

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john
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Post by bodom » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:20 pm

villkorkarma wrote:But we must agree on this point i think: meditators try to reach a happiness state
but they do it on different ways, thank you all

warmly
john
"You are only as happy as you make your mind up to be." -- Abraham lincoln
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Post by Sobeh » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:08 am

Happiness = Equanimity + Mindfulness, per the third jhana:

"Further, with the fading away of rapture, remaining imperturbable, mindful, and clearly aware, he enters the third jhana and experiences within himself the joy of which the Noble Ones declare, "Happy is he who dwells with equanimity and mindfulness." He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness."

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