Thats fine to stick with what your teachers teach, i wasnt trying to tell you what you should or shouldnt believe I do really mean that, sorry if it came accross that way.
Just investigate for yourself, dont accept something first hand because it is written or because someone tells you it is a certain way or because its just traditional.
With Metta friend
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
mikenz66 wrote:Personally, I think I'll stick to my opinion, and the opinions of my teachers, for now...
"My" is considered problematic in Buddhism. I'll stick to what the Buddha taught.
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I agree.
clw_uk. I agree that we have to investigate for ourselves. That is exactly what I do. I just reach different conclusions, which happen to be closer to the standard Theravada view...
I agree that we have to investigate for ourselves. That is exactly what I do.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
'I'm' standing by 'my' ignorance, until 'I' either kick the habit or 'my' ignorance rebirths 'me'.
This is kind of a snark hunt either way isn't it? Considering? The ongoing ignorance pertains to all the aggregates, trying to locate it as confined in some way within any one of these conditions of ongoing ignorance would be a fools errand, no?
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}
nathan wrote:The ongoing ignorance pertains to all the aggregates...
Nathan
I am not sure what you are pointing to.
...Regards
Element
SN 12.35 Avijjapaccaya Sutta From Ignorance as a Requisite Condition Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm getting at ignorance is the root cause of all the aggregates. Ignorance is what continues ongoing. Bondage or freedom. That a consciousness persists in re-arising or clings from one fabrication to the next, one body to the next, is all secondary.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}
nathan wrote:I'm getting at ignorance is the root cause of all the aggregates.
Nathan
"This text is about dependent origination."
"Best wishes
Element"
Yup. It is. Be well and happy Element.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}
Hi, I don't know if coinciousness is the right word to describe if there's something individual there remains after death, well, all that I can see it that some beings are inclined to do certain things and some other things. If there's no re-linking of conciousness there is somewhere that are the "storage" of "personal kamma"? What the Buddha means with that:
"He sees — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — beings passing away and re-appearing, and he discerns how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma: 'These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech, & mind, who reviled the noble ones, held wrong views and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell. But these beings — who were endowed with good conduct of body, speech, & mind, who did not revile the noble ones, who held right views and undertook actions under the influence of right views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the good destinations, in the heavenly world.' Thus — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — he sees beings passing away and re-appearing, and he discerns how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma."
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Cya Thanks.
"In whom there exists
no provocation,
& for whom becoming & non-becoming
are overcome,
he is one — beyond fear,
blissful,
without grief,
whom the devas can't see." Bhaddiya Kaligodha Sutta
If there's no re-linking of conciousness there is somewhere that are the "storage" of "personal kamma"?
I dont think it really matters, i dont find it that important of a question as its to speculative
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
If there's no re-linking of conciousness there is somewhere that are the "storage" of "personal kamma"?
I dont think it really matters, i dont find it that important of a question as its to speculative
Well, it don't matter that much for me too, but that isn't the discussion of this topic?
It is really very speculative, but as I see in this discussion, we are gathering information in the sutras and trying to get some understanding about the subject.
We all see that the human beings have some strong unconscious tendencies, I see that a major part of our personalities are formed in contact with experiences with the external world. But we can see that people living in the same places, like our home, with similar worldly experiences and we react in various different ways, the kamma explained by the Buddha have everything to do with those reactions I am right?
So the question of the re-linking of conscious after death, or every explain of rebirth are highly speculative but we can see those things in the here in now and reflect about how this reactions occours, what their nature and how to dissipate them.
Metta.
"In whom there exists
no provocation,
& for whom becoming & non-becoming
are overcome,
he is one — beyond fear,
blissful,
without grief,
whom the devas can't see." Bhaddiya Kaligodha Sutta
I guide my feet to the path because every step is into the unknown.
The path is a certain way through.
The rest is a certain known.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}
I do really mean that, sorry if it came accross that way.
