Placidium wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:39 pm
Sam Vara wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:46 pm
Do you think the Buddha proscribed paedophilia and hebephilia?
Not at all and that's not what I'm advocating. I just don't think people who naturally have innate predispositions toward irregular forms of sexual attraction should be harassed and executed by self-appointed vigilante thugs. Actually provided they don't consummate their sexual attraction I see no reason at all for discriminatory attitudes and behaviour toward paedophiles.
We may be in danger of drifting off-topic here, especially as I know little about the Jain attitudes to sex and its expression. Perhaps you will want to start a new topic, or the mods will want to split this into a new one.
There may be some confusion around the notion of the Buddha "proscribing" things. I mean it in the sense of forbidding or disapproving of those things. Hebephilic and paedophilic actions affecting other people would seem to fall under the third precept, and I would think it unwise to even advocate them, considering how often the Buddha spoke against inciting or causing unwholesome activities in others. Some people might find themselves in such a wretched condition that they are unable to express their sexual needs; I don't know whether such people would be more advised to completely eradicate sexual desire than those with more orthodox urges, but that seems to make sense to me. And of course, our reactions to those who are different is our own kamma, so we need to be circumspect here.
With regard to discrimination against such people, I think the compassionate approach here is to discriminate only where such discrimination is justified by the safety of others (i.e. I would certainly not want a paedophile, active or dormant, working with my children) but otherwise not (their sexual nature should have no impact upon, say, them gaining employment or state benefits or access to the law).
The only aggression and rage I see is from mothers (typically white anglo-saxon ones) and their thuggish husbands looking for any excuse to resort to violence and even murder, against any single adult male who they construe as being a threat to their precious family unit.
Really? I see far more sources of rage than that. In the great scheme of things (disputes over property, identity, religion, etc) it seems relatively minor.
The hysteria around paedophilla is reaching Joseph McCarthy era witch-hunting proportions. Unfortunately at least back then people where slightly more civilised. All too often now those wrongly-suspected of paedophilla and those other poor people unable to help the way they were born are left to the mercy of 'kangaroo-courts' presided over by murderous thugs who constitute the pillars-of-the-community.
I think it depends on the cultural and legal history of specific countries. Where I live, paedophile activity can rightly get you jailed. In previous ages, it would have got you mob justice of the worst sort, with no possibility of appeal to a higher authority.