Tan Ajahn Anan says the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana are real!

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Tan Ajahn Anan says the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana are real!

Post by tamdrin » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:13 am

I recently listened to some dharma talks where Than Ajan Anan discusses Mahayana with a lay follower. He brought up many Mahayana concepts and Than Ajahn said the Bodhisattvas such as Manjushri, Avalokiesvara, and Samantabhadra are real.


This prompted me to ask Ajahn Achalo if he had ever heard anything about the sukhavati Pure land of Amitabha being real or not. He said that it is real according to Than Ajan Anan. Interesting because some Theravadas deny the truth of Mahayana!

It's something to rejoice in really.

Best wishes...

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Post by tamdrin » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:14 am

You can listen to the talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcFOZ9YtizU

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Re: Tan Ajahn Anan says the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana are real!

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:23 am

Greetings,
tamdrin wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:13 am
It's something to rejoice in really.
Is it?

Kind regards.

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Post by sentinel » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:55 pm

tamdrin wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:13 am
I recently listened to some dharma talks where Than Ajan Anan discusses Mahayana with a lay follower. He brought up many Mahayana concepts and Than Ajahn said the Bodhisattvas such as Manjushri, Avalokiesvara, and Samantabhadra are real.


This prompted me to ask Ajahn Achalo if he had ever heard anything about the sukhavati Pure land of Amitabha being real or not. He said that it is real according to Than Ajan Anan. Interesting because some Theravadas deny the truth of Mahayana!

It's something to rejoice in really.

Best wishes...
If real is something like rupa loka and other realms , that real is a possibility . Sukhavati is comparable to the non returner pure abode .
Another possible real is guru rinpoche realm .
If you look at the vajrayana teacher capability where with vow and will they can choose to take birth in which family and location , this is something beyond our comprehension .
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Post by santa100 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:06 pm

tamdrin wrote:I recently listened to some dharma talks where Than Ajan Anan discusses Mahayana with a lay follower. He brought up many Mahayana concepts and Than Ajahn said the Bodhisattvas such as Manjushri, Avalokiesvara, and Samantabhadra are real.
Depends on the perspective. From a grand cosmic perspective, it's quite possible, considering the unfathomably huge number of universes, galaxies, solar systems out there. There's already one real Bodhisatta in training right now for our world system: Metteyya. There's no reason to rule out the possibility about the existence of others out there.
Interesting because some Theravadas deny the truth of Mahayana
One'd need to be more specific on what truth they're talking about, for Mahayana's composed of a gigantic collection of sutras/sastras, and some show very close similarity to Theravada (ie. the Agamas and most of the Vinayas), some do not (Vimalakirti sutra and various Sastras, etc.). So it'd be incorrect to paint with a broad brush on some general statement about Mahayana.

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Post by dharmacorps » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:07 pm

I'm not sure if this is really that profound of a statement. Devas exist in Theravada, so it is possible the Ajahn was acknowledging what what the Northern school calls Boddhisattvas are "real" in that sense, or not definitely made up.

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Post by confusedlayman » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:24 pm

tamdrin wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:13 am
I recently listened to some dharma talks where Than Ajan Anan discusses Mahayana with a lay follower. He brought up many Mahayana concepts and Than Ajahn said the Bodhisattvas such as Manjushri, Avalokiesvara, and Samantabhadra are real.


This prompted me to ask Ajahn Achalo if he had ever heard anything about the sukhavati Pure land of Amitabha being real or not. He said that it is real according to Than Ajan Anan. Interesting because some Theravadas deny the truth of Mahayana!

It's something to rejoice in really.

Best wishes...
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Re: Tan Ajahn Anan says the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana are real!

Post by chownah » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:55 am

The buddha taught that all dhamas are empty....so....whatever it means to say that bodhisattvas are "real" it should be acknowledged that bodhisattvas are empty.
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Re: Tan Ajahn Anan says the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana are real!

Post by tamdrin » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:19 am

dharmacorps wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:07 pm
I'm not sure if this is really that profound of a statement. Devas exist in Theravada, so it is possible the Ajahn was acknowledging what what the Northern school calls Boddhisattvas are "real" in that sense, or not definitely made up.


Devas are in Samsara. Bodhisattvas who have attained the bhumis (bodhisattva grounds) are liberated from samsara. They are trans-worldly. Apparently some of the Ajahns who are good in meditation have been able to converse with these high bodhisattvas like Manjushri.

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Post by dharmacorps » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:57 pm

tamdrin wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:19 am

Devas are in Samsara. Bodhisattvas who have attained the bhumis (bodhisattva grounds) are liberated from samsara. They are trans-worldly.
That is the traditional Mahayana perspective, yes. But none of that has a basis in the early Buddhist texts (samsara is not a place, but a process as the Buddha described it). Sorry if that sounds sectarian, but you are on a Theravada forum :)

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Post by sentinel » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:53 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:57 pm
That is the traditional Mahayana perspective, yes. But none of that has a basis in the early Buddhist texts (samsara is not a place, but a process as the Buddha described it). Sorry if that sounds sectarian, but you are on a Theravada forum :)
There are many things that aren't in the ebt . Jesus Christ for one . But , he does exists .
Sorry if that differ with your thinking .
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Post by dharmacorps » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:17 pm

sentinel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:53 pm

There are many things that aren't in the ebt . Jesus Christ for one . But , he does exists .
At the time the suttas were recited, no, he did not exist (yet). But anyway, nobody is saying everything is in the suttas I'll leave it at that.

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Post by Aloka » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:56 am

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This prompted me to ask Ajahn Achalo if he had ever heard anything about the sukhavati Pure land of Amitabha being real or not

We have the potential to live in a Pure Land right here on Earth by practising loving kindness and compassion to all living beings and respecting our environment. There's no need for imaginary beings and fantasy realms in other places.

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Post by holylotus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:48 am

Aloka wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:56 am
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We have the potential to live in a Pure Land right here on Earth by practising loving kindness and compassion to all living beings and respecting our environment. There's no need for imaginary beings and fantasy realms in other places.

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Re: Tan Ajahn Anan says the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana are real!

Post by sentinel » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:28 pm

Aloka wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:56 am
There's no need for imaginary beings and fantasy realms in other places.
Don't be too quick at drawing the gun .
For many people , rupa arupa realms could be but imagination and fantasy . Even rebirth for secular buddhist not relevant .
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