Do people like war or peace?

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binocular
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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by binocular » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:55 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:14 am
Is it possible to win the world war 3 without killing a human?
That would not be winning, would it?

Seeing people floundering
like fish in small puddles,
competing with one another —

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
War is just heightened competition. Competition is the norm in life as it is usually lived.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by santa100 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:15 pm

SarathW wrote:Is war an essential part of human?
Depends on what "essential" means, if you mean "necessary", then no, not all the time. But if you mean "important", then the answer could be yes, sometimes. Facing oppression and potential annihilation, it is important for a nation state to put up a strong defense to repel the invading force. Humans are still only animals with big brain. And like in the jungle, there are clearly defined strata in the food chain where the strong and powerful predators on the top will kill and eat the weaker prey at the bottom. Humans are no exception. Bottom line is as long as there's evolution and survival of the fittest, there will be war, regardless if one likes it or not. By the way, if there're wars in those supposedly higher realms (the war between the Asuras vs Devas), it'd be a bit unrealistic to hope for eternal peace down here in the human realm, wouldn't it? The best one could hope for is to try one's best to apply all possible alternatives and hopefully not having to resort to this last, ugly, and desperate choice.

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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by SarathW » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:28 pm

War has different levels.
-War withing yourself
-War within the family
-War with the neighbor
-Civil war
- War of ethnics and blacks or gender etc war
- War between countries
- Cyberwar
-Tarif war

Most of the above have an intermediary to stop the war. If not these small wars are escalated to a big one withing those subsets.

What we are trying to avoid is a war where there is no intermediary.
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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:04 am

When every struggle is called a "war" then the word "war" looses its meaning.....war is groups of people with guns killing each other....if we can't differentiate that from a family feud then I think we are lacking in discernment.
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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by alfa » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:20 am

binocular wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:04 am
Bundokji wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:25 am
What constitutes war or peace is not as clear cut as we might think.
The world seems to be living in a state of cold war at all times anyway.
There's never really peace, just the time it takes to reload the weapons.
Not unlike our own minds. We may have suppressed our hate, fear, etc., but they're always lurking somewhere, waiting for an opportunity to come out.

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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by SarathW » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:07 am

We may have suppressed our hate, fear, etc., but they're always lurking somewhere, waiting for an opportunity to come out.
Perhaps a major war is a culmination of individual hate.
Small hate (perhaps individual or small groups) build up and come to a tipping point and we call it a war.
:shrug:
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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by binocular » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:04 am

SarathW wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:07 am
Perhaps a major war is a culmination of individual hate.
Small hate (perhaps individual or small groups) build up and come to a tipping point and we call it a war.
When in doubt, ask Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War
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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by cappuccino » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:05 pm

It is one of the bitterest ironies of human life that although virtually all human beings cherish a desire to live in peace, we continually find ourselves embroiled in conflict
The Problem of Conflict
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Bhikkhu Bodhi
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Re: Do people like war or peace?

Post by Laurens » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:32 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:12 am
Do people like war or peace?
I just started to wonder whether people like the war over peace.
When there is a war they work hard to finish the war. Then they forgot about it and start another.
Sometimes I see when everything is quite a peaceful someone start the war.
Our history is all about war.
Is war an essential part of human?
I think your average person likes peace. Most people want a quiet life without the imminent threat of death and danger to themselves or others.

I think those possessed with greed and power like war. War is a good way to consolidate power and get resources.

Sadly your average person is the one who gets manipulated into doing the dirty work, or being on the receiving end of the bullets and bombs.

I don't think its an essential part of being a human. It has been a prominent feature of our past and of our present, but we have the beautiful ability to change things and start over. Whether we do or not is another matter...
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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