Arahant's suicide

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Germann
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Tamrashatiya school

Post by Germann » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:40 pm

justindesilva wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:37 am
chownah wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:44 am
Germann wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:30 pm

There is this phrase in Pali.

Sarattha-ppakasini
Buddhaghosa,s commentary on the Sanyutta-Nikaya
edited by F.L.Woodward M.A. Vol.3 p. 267

"sotapanna, sakadagami-anagami-(araha)3-khinasavapi"


note "3. VinA. omits"

Note: is not in the Vinaya. About Arahants-suicide written only in canonical Comments.
I do no understand what you are posting....making something bold and large does not help.

So....someone made up a story about what it says in some Commentary?....is that what you posted before?
chownah
How can we trust Buddhagosa as an authority on Tripitaka though he wrote Visuddhimagga. He was a hindu scholar and philisopher. He wrote visuddimagga on an invitation. He is however noted to have departed from canonical texts. The period of mahavihara when he wrote visuddhimagga is in the 5th century A.D.
We can say otherwise: how can one trust the Mahaviharavasins school (Theravada school), if in Sthavira Mahayana (at the Abhayagiri school, at the Jetavania school) could not have such problems.

All three Sri Lankan schools developed on the basis of the Tamrashatiya school.

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Re: Arahant's suicide

Post by cookiemonster » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:37 pm

Germann wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:28 pm
cookiemonster wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:43 am
Germann wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:14 am

In the Mahayana bodhisattva does not have to cling to.
The bodhisatta in the Pali texts is called "unenlightened".

If a bodhisattva does not cling and possess no residue in clinging, then they would not be "operating" in samsara, but would be completely emancipated in parinibbana.
If khandhas is dukkha in three times, and dukkha is a loss, why did Buddha continue dukkha, staying alive - when he was able to commit suicide?
IMO, he stayed alive as long as he had after his personal awakening, in order to elucidate the Dhamma which leads to arahatta and parinibbana in its various permutations to his disciples and to the world. Once the communication of the fullness of his teaching was complete, he passed away - at a place & time specifically chosen by him. In a sense, this could be considered a "suicide".

Other arahants also chose their passing, at a specific place, time, and method. They could choose to depart early, IMO because 1. they saw that they had also completed their work and teaching to their own disciples, and 2. they expressed compassion in this respect by choosing early to be be less of a physical burden to their supporters & the world.

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Re: Arahant's suicide

Post by chownah » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:49 am

Germann wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:28 pm

If khandhas is dukkha in three times, and dukkha is a loss, why did Buddha continue dukkha, staying alive - when he was able to commit suicide?
Because the buddha did not suffer from dukkha.....and the buddha could have blissfull and joyous abiding anytime he wanted and for as long as he wanted. A better question is "why didn't the buddha just live out his life in that blissfull and joyous abiding?"....and the canonical answer to that (I think) is out of compassion.
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Re: See the Pali original

Post by chownah » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:51 am

Germann wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:31 pm
chownah wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:02 am
Germann wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:16 am

The Pali original has this phrase. The information on Theravada.ru site is correct.
I don't know what you are talking about.
So....someone made up a story about what it says in some Commentary?....is that what you posted before?....please respond to this....please answer my question.
chownah
It really is in the Commentary. See the Pali original.
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Sarattha-ppakasini
Buddhaghosa,s commentary on the Sanyutta-Nikaya
edited by F.L.Woodward M.A. Vol.3 p. 267
I don't understand the pali language and presenting it overly large does not help me to understand it.
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Re: Arahant's suicide

Post by sunnat » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:15 am

"... out of compassion." is the answer to many of these questions. What if he had choosen to commit suicide after having committed himself out of compassion to teach.? What sort of example is that

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Re: Arahant's suicide

Post by SDC » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:16 pm

Due to the OP wishing to discuss Mahayana ideas, this thread has been moved to "Connections..."

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