Dinsdale wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:34 am
Some possible options, though there may be others:
"Form is empty"
"Form is emptiness"
"Form is only emptiness"
"Form is none other than emptiness"
I find that it is tricky to translate the 2 separately, into english.
You can see Philly’s translation of “that which is form is emptiness that which is emptiness (is) form” which is an affirmative equation. Reverting that back to Chinese would be
即色是空，即空是色.That was what I’m trying to say.
If 大般若波羅蜜多經 really meant to give a affirmatively equating both, that is the phrase that should have appear in scroll 37 & 409
The problem is the upper 2 phrases in heart sutra, “form does not differ from emptiness emptiness does not differ from form” limiting the possible translation. By ignoring these 2, i'm tempted to read both as one
“Form, is empty of self; which is its intrinsic nature”.
The word self comes from the five aggregates.
But, with “form does not differ from emptiness emptiness does not differ from form” is former in the sequence, then I still run into a problem of making a Thing out of it on intrinsic nature.
That is the reason why I said the composer of heart sutra did a serious harm to the teaching by putting “form does not differ from emptiness emptiness does not differ from form”; but the 2 scroll has “色性空……是色非色空，是色空非色”, which is definitive. I shall attemp to direct translate this.
是色非色空 – is form, not form is empty in nature
是色空非色 – is, form is empty in nature, not form
I'm putting in the word nature, from "色性
But the phrase doesn’t make sense, right.
“is form, not form is empty” is a statement denying exploded interpretation of intrinsic nature; so not making a Thing out of it. To me, it means to say, direct knowledge requires cultivation. With knowing and seeing, the noble sees form’s intrinsic nature of empty of self, does not get cooked up in form further, and that include empty of intrinsic nature (in cessation attainment).
The unfortunate part is heart sutra eliminates "是色非色空，是色空非色", un-limiting intrinsic nature, making it into a true-sELF.