Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:12 am

binocular wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:21 pm
I just go with the standard narrative that says that back then, there were many people "with little dust in their eyes". When they died, there was noone to replace them in the lineage, so their religion became obsolete in the area where they lived.
Are you are saying the enlightened practitioners drained the gene pool of enlightenment genes?
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by binocular » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:49 am

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:12 am
Are you are saying the enlightened practitioners drained the gene pool of enlightenment genes?
Nah. Enlightenment has nothing to do with genes.

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Caodemarte wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:31 pm
What narrative is this? Are you referring to the widespread idea, especially in East Asia, that we live in an era of the inevitable “decay of the law,” before a future Buddha and new era?
That too, but also to the popular idea of how, in and around the time of the Buddha, there were many very advanced beings, but afterwards, not so many.
It is difficult to argue to people attracted to Buddhism that Buddhism has very little attractive to it.
And, like I said already, the Dhamma is said to be appealing to those with little dust in their eyes, and not to just anyone.
Clearly many people in ancient times did find it attractive, making it a major religion that spread globally although it died out in the region of its birth.
Sure. I think, though, that that attraction was mainly due to the radiant, advanced practitioners, not the doctrine itself.
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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by confusedlayman » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:37 pm

sentinel wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:44 am
If atman knowable
If nibbana knowable
That is in theory
Practically , unless one attained to the state
Comparison just remains
If one is an arhat he won't bother about atman
If one attained atman he don't bother either
u mean u can use any of the words just for conventional sake but in reality that state is non objectifiable?
non-agitation is highest peace
living unaffected by other cause and condition to suffering is true bliss
not associating with stupid people is immediate peace
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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by jeevanism » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:41 am

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:54 am
Dear DW forum

I have noticed a few videos where it is claimed Adi Shankaracharya single-handedly defeated Buddhism in India.

Please kindly discuss or offer any knowledge.

Thanks :smile:




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He might be one of the reasons of Buddhism declined in India. But there are several other issues like
  • Instead to reforming the system, it denounced itself. Every religion in the beginning is inspired by a spirit of reform, for Buddhism the fight was against Varna system and Brahmanical supremacy. But eventually, it succumbed to to rituals and ceremonies it originally aim to denounce.


    Brahmans retaliated. The Brahmans soon understood that the growing popularity of Buddhism could be a severe blow to their riches and royal patronages. To stop that, they reformed their religion. They limited cattle slaughter, and even promised shudras and women of admission to heaven.

    Buddhism changed for worse. The monks after Buddha, gave up Pali (The language which introduced Buddhism to common man) and endorsed Sanskrit (understood by privileged few). The generous grants from kings and traders made the life of monks lavish and easy. The ease loving life finally lead to formation of Vajrayana sect of Buddhism in Burma.


    Corruption and lust crept in. The corrupt, monks coupled with women living in the monasteries, led to further deterioration. The monks began to look at women as object of lust. Buddha once said “If women were not admitted to monasteries, Buddhism would continue for 1000 years, but because this admission is granted, it would last only for 500 years”

    Prosecution by others. The Brahman ruler Pushyamitra Shunga is said to have persecuted Buddhists. The Huna king Mihirakula, killed hundreds. The Shaivite Shashanka of Gauda cut of Bodhi Tree at Bodh Gaya. In south, both Shaivites and Vaishanavites critically opposed Buddhism.


    Loot and Plunder by foreign invaders: Since monasteries were very rich, they were an easy target for Turkish invader like Nadir Shah. They killed hundreds of monks in Bihar, hundreds fled to Tibet.

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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by DooDoot » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:04 am

jeevanism wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:41 am
But there are several other issues like
Thank you for your informative post. :anjali:
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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by No_Mind » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:17 am

I do not think any video (from India) would adequately explain the debate between Adi Shankara and Buddhist monks. Well educated Indians are a shy bunch who prefer to keep to themselves and read dusty books.

Also, this country revels in hagiographies and any claim of X defeated Y .. is bit irrelevant.

The writer of this Quora answer tries to put it in a nutshell (or claims to have done so). I have no clue if he is right or wrong. I do not support or oppose his views (I try my best to exist outside the thicket of views .. Buddhist or Hindu).

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Adi-Shank ... &srid=RpNK

:namaste:

Edit Add: Instead of X defeated Y it would be better to read about both and reach a conclusion.

This is how one scholar explained Adi Shankara and Vedanta

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book ... c6987.html

(The entire Volume 1 can be found here https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book ... y-volume-1)
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Re: Did Adi Shankaracharya defeat Buddhism?

Post by confusedlayman » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:42 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:17 am
I do not think any video (from India) would adequately explain the debate between Adi Shankara and Buddhist monks. Well educated Indians are a shy bunch who prefer to keep to themselves and read dusty books.

Also, this country revels in hagiographies and any claim of X defeated Y .. is bit irrelevant.

The writer of this Quora answer tries to put it in a nutshell (or claims to have done so). I have no clue if he is right or wrong. I do not support or oppose his views (I try my best to exist outside the thicket of views .. Buddhist or Hindu).

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Adi-Shank ... &srid=RpNK

:namaste:

Edit Add: Instead of X defeated Y it would be better to read about both and reach a conclusion.

This is how one scholar explained Adi Shankara and Vedanta

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book ... c6987.html

(The entire Volume 1 can be found here https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book ... y-volume-1)
the long debate in Quora is written by deluded hindu. so many wrong ways of describing things in buddhist monk dialogue lol. annata=absence of self in anything not invisible non existent object. cup is annata, there is no self in cup but cup is not invisible or non-existent.
non-agitation is highest peace
living unaffected by other cause and condition to suffering is true bliss
not associating with stupid people is immediate peace
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