Historically, why religions prosper?

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Historically, Why a particular religions prosper?

1) The ethics
0
No votes
2) By force conversion using power
2
10%
3) Economic benefits
0
No votes
4) Clinging to views and not prepare to investigate with an open mind.
2
10%
5) Family heritage.
7
35%
6) Social bond
2
10%
7) Just keep peace
1
5%
8) Superior teaching
3
15%
9) Ignorance
2
10%
10) Attachment and aversion
1
5%
 
Total votes: 20

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by DNS » Fri May 31, 2019 4:37 am

DooDoot wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 4:18 am
The old Thai monk Bhikkhu Buddhadasa hypothesised when giving his opinion on the Brahman covert Buddhaghosa:
In summary, it is hard to say whether or not the basis of the dhamma was still pure before the third council in B.E. 300. After that it became sullied through the acceptance of a self. An incorrect Dhamma began from that time. As you can see, Buddhism disappeared from India. But why didn't the Jain religion, the religion of the naked ascetics, more properly called the Saina, disappear from India? Because it hasn't yet changed any of its principles from the original teachings.

It seems the old Thai monk Bhikkhu Buddhadasa suggested if the religion remains "pure", it will continue or prosper, even if it remains small, such as the Jains. Small but pure & beautiful. As Jimi Hendrix said: "Not necessarily stoned but beautiful". :smile:


I guess it depends on what the OP meant by a religion prospering? Usually, it means numbers of adherents, not dwindling, not dying off.

If it means remaining pure, that could be one scale, but it is somewhat subjective as people have different ideas over which teachings represent the pure and original. The number of adherents is an easier scale to measure as most people self-identify with one religion or another or none via surveys.

However, I agree with Bhikkhu Buddhadasa that at some point if a religion diverges too much from the original teachings, it probably can't be called that any more and should be called something else. And therefore, in that sense it is not prospering as it becomes something else.

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by SarathW » Fri May 31, 2019 4:52 am

I guess it depends on what the OP meant by a religion prospering?
I meant appealing to many people.
I think Buddhism is the only religion offers something to every one due to gradual training philosophy.
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by Bundokji » Fri May 31, 2019 8:12 am

I think its due to how the human mind operates and experiences the world. The individual is in the world, but at the same time separate from it. So, he has to be a part of something bigger than himself regardless of what that thing could possibly be.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by Viachh » Fri May 31, 2019 2:35 pm

Religion is the opium of the people. (с) That's why.

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by binocular » Fri May 31, 2019 5:16 pm

chownah wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 4:31 am
SarathW wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 3:37 am
I agree. But will see what is the most powerful factor out of all.
At the moment it seems the family.
Do you really think that this pole will reveal what is the most powerful factor of all?......
Indeed, the research methodology as put forth by the OP doesn't seem all that reliable.
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by form » Fri May 31, 2019 7:53 pm

Due to fear, insecurity from cravings.

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by SarathW » Fri May 31, 2019 8:47 pm

binocular wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 5:16 pm
chownah wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 4:31 am
SarathW wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 3:37 am
I agree. But will see what is the most powerful factor out of all.
At the moment it seems the family.
Do you really think that this pole will reveal what is the most powerful factor of all?......
Indeed, the research methodology as put forth by the OP doesn't seem all that reliable.
At the moment the highest vote is for family heritage is I can be related to.
In Sri Lanka Christians use this method to effectively propagate the religion.
So I think my research methodology provides a good indication.
Historically the object of forced conversion also based on the same idea.
Once you forced the first generation to accept a religion it naturally flows to the second.
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by DooDoot » Fri May 31, 2019 8:56 pm

Viachh wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 2:35 pm
Religion is the opium of the people. (с) That's why.
While not really related to the topic, its ironic or contradictory how these people who can be easily "opiated" could create & govern a Communist State. :roll:
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by SarathW » Fri May 31, 2019 9:07 pm

I think communism is another religion which rejects all other religions!
They forcefully convert people using their power.
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by one_awakening » Fri May 31, 2019 9:50 pm

Simple. They promise immortality.
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by DNS » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:38 am

one_awakening wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:50 pm
Simple. They promise immortality.
They all do that, except for perhaps Theravada. :tongue:

I think what the OP was getting at, is which factor makes it more successful compared to others and makes it successfully continue to exist with numerous adherents.

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by binocular » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:33 pm

one_awakening wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:50 pm
Simple. They promise immortality.
Which one?

All the major monotheistic religions take for granted that we are immortal anyway! Remember, even if you go to hell for all eternity because you didn't choose the right religion, the salient point is that you're immortal, just doomed forever.

Except perhaps for some vampiric cult or some such, I don't know of any religion which would promise that if one abides by their teachings, one will become immortal.

If anything, the really rare religions are the ones that promise mortality.
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by SarathW » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:56 pm

DNS wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:38 am
one_awakening wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:50 pm
Simple. They promise immortality.
They all do that, except for perhaps Theravada. :tongue:

I think what the OP was getting at, is which factor makes it more successful compared to others and makes it successfully continue to exist with numerous adherents.
Isn't "amara" (deathless) means immortality?
https://dhammawiki.com/index.php/33_syn ... or_Nibbana
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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by DNS » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:28 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:56 pm
DNS wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:38 am
one_awakening wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:50 pm
Simple. They promise immortality.
They all do that, except for perhaps Theravada. :tongue:

I think what the OP was getting at, is which factor makes it more successful compared to others and makes it successfully continue to exist with numerous adherents.
Isn't "amara" (deathless) means immortality?
https://dhammawiki.com/index.php/33_syn ... or_Nibbana
No, not in this sense. Immortality is eternalism, which Theravada rejects.

In regard to nibbana, it is deathless in the sense that there is no death, but also there is no birth, no more becoming.

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Re: Historically, why religions prosper?

Post by Aloka » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:11 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:56 pm

Isn't "amara" (deathless) means immortality?
Isn't "amata" the Pali word for deathless ? (rather than "amara")


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