Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
User avatar
pilgrim
Posts: 1632
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:56 pm

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by pilgrim » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:28 am

ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:32 pm
How so? The Buddha never said he wasn't an avatar of lord vishnu
Poor reasoning.
I never said I'm Jesus Christ either. So am I him?
Those who make claims have to present their evidence.

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 21722
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:46 am

Greetings,
ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:36 pm
budo wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:20 pm
Not according to Buddhism, and definitely not according to Theravada
and to beg the question are you an arahant? If you havent reach the goal for yourself you're only parroting thing nyou've read online and in textbooks.
Well that's a rather uncharitable position to take, given that Budo's answer was factually accurate.

However, in order to meet your own unrealistic standards for expressing an opinion on such matters, I'm assuming you're an arahant?

:shrug:

Either way, if you're here to proselytize Hinduism, please don't, and be aware of the Terms Of Service as they apply to such matters.

:thanks:

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

User avatar
JamesTheGiant
Posts: 1044
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:41 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by JamesTheGiant » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:12 am

The idea that Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu is being actively spread by right-wing Hindu nationalists within India. These right wing nationalists aren't as bad as western right wing nationalists (alt-right or nazis), but they still spread a lot of propaganda.

User avatar
bridif1
Posts: 204
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:42 pm

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by bridif1 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:04 am

ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:32 pm
How so? The Buddha never said he wasn't an avatar of lord vishnu.
I. Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: (appeal to ignorance) the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.
A. The informal structure has two basic patterns:

Statement p is unproved.
Not-p is true.

Statement not-p is unproved.
p is true.

B. If one argues that God or telepathy, ghosts, or UFO's do not exist because their existence has not been proven beyond a shadow of doubt, then this fallacy occurs.
C. On the other hand, if one argues that God, telepathy, and so on do exist because their non-existence has not been proved, then one argues fallaciously as well.

https://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.html

Textbook fallacy.

Kind regards!

User avatar
bridif1
Posts: 204
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:42 pm

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by bridif1 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:07 am

ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:32 pm
And he certainly didn't deny the existence of a creator god.
And about the point about a creator god, this site might shed some light:
https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/ques ... no-creator

Have a wonderful day!

Just another Bhikkhu
Posts: 20
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:54 am

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by Just another Bhikkhu » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:38 am

No I don't "believe" they are Arahants I know they are.
As I've said before it takes an Arahant to point out other arahants.


:bow:

binocular
Posts: 6689
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by binocular » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:10 pm

ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:17 pm
Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?
Why would that matter?
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

User avatar
ihrjordan
Posts: 850
Joined: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:42 am

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:44 pm

In any case Practice before conceptualizing should be prioritized. Then you can find out for yourself. Have a wonderful Sunny day everyone lol "hint hint"

User avatar
ihrjordan
Posts: 850
Joined: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:42 am

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:45 pm

binocular wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:10 pm
ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:17 pm
Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?
Why would that matter?
I don't believe I said that it does...And I certainly didn't try to convert anyone to "hinduism" as some people seem to imply...I'm not "hindu"
Follow the blessed one PRACTICE his teachings...You will go far

binocular
Posts: 6689
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:43 am

ihrjordan wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:45 pm
binocular wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:10 pm
ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:17 pm
Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?
Why would that matter?
I don't believe I said that it does...And I certainly didn't try to convert anyone to "hinduism" as some people seem to imply...I'm not "hindu"
Follow the blessed one PRACTICE his teachings...You will go far
So I infer you're talking about all this because then one can "go far"? Go far to where exactly?
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

User avatar
ihrjordan
Posts: 850
Joined: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:42 am

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:23 pm

binocular wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:43 am
ihrjordan wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:45 pm
binocular wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:10 pm

Why would that matter?
I don't believe I said that it does...And I certainly didn't try to convert anyone to "hinduism" as some people seem to imply...I'm not "hindu"
Follow the blessed one PRACTICE his teachings...You will go far
So I infer you're talking about all this because then one can "go far"? Go far to where exactly?
Arahantship. Perfection. True happiness. Non-Buddhists can gain this too but they would have to at least ordain the heart A.K.A turn senses inward. And it may not be in this life. The buddha was Vishnu (The preserver) he didn't create dhamma he prolonged it and destroyed harmful doctrines.

User avatar
Coëmgenu
Posts: 1914
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:55 pm
Location: Whitby, Canada

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by Coëmgenu » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:30 pm

I would advise the OP does his homework on why Viṣṇu allegedly became the ascetic Gautama.

Once again, since it must have been hidden in the previous post and uneasy to see.

Viṣṇupurāṇa, Book III Section XVIII

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/vp092.htm.
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

User avatar
Nicolas
Posts: 980
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:59 pm
Location: Somerville, MA, USA

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by Nicolas » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:39 pm

Whether or not the Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu is irrelevant, it doesn't provide any useful information.
Siṁsapā Sutta (SN 56.31) wrote: The things I have directly known but have not taught you are numerous, while the things I have taught you are few. And why, bhikkhus, have I not taught those many things? Because they are unbeneficial, irrelevant to the fundamentals of the holy life, and do not lead to revulsion, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna. Therefore I have not taught them.

binocular
Posts: 6689
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:33 pm

Nicolas wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:39 pm
Whether or not the Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu is irrelevant, it doesn't provide any useful information.
If the Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu, it makes the Hindu anti-Buddhist propaganda justified ... and the Buddhists wrong.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

User avatar
Nicolas
Posts: 980
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:59 pm
Location: Somerville, MA, USA

Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by Nicolas » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:41 pm

binocular wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:33 pm
If the Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu, it makes the Hindu anti-Buddhist propaganda justified ... and the Buddhists wrong.
I agree, but I don't think ihrjordan is anti-Buddhist. He is inviting us to ask ourselves his question and investigate, and that is the less general scope that I am addressing.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bundokji, Majestic-12 [Bot] and 111 guests