Against the stream centers shutting down

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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by TRobinson465 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:26 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:33 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:25 am
When i say consensual sex. i dont mean unwholesome sex or some special Buddhist interpretation. i am using the term strictly as consensual as in "consent" between both parties.
There is no such thing as "consensual" sex because "consensual" implies free-will. If there was free-will, the complaints by the women would not have occurred. In the world of defilement, there is no "free-will". Women get seduced or women seduce and when it doesn't work out, they get angry & blame. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Sure. Whatever.
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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by TRobinson465 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:31 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:38 am
chownah wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:36 am
Buddhist doctrines don't explicitly cover all aspects of all behaviors. It is enough that consensual sex is widely understood and emphasized in lay life to see its importance in lay life.
Personally, I've never experienced consensual sex. Sex always ends up in some type of drama (of blame) when you stick around long enough.
My experiences differ than yours then.
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by Turmeric » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Polar Bear wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 pm
LuisR wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:52 pm
I used to watch their live streams on facebook. I have to say I find it weird they had a separate group for POC (people of color). I don't know why they hade to segregate things by race. Seems like a very American thing to do these days.
It’s because minorities in America have been historically oppressed and some POC feel uncomfortable in spaces where most people are white. It provides a more comfortable environment for them. It’s not like the white people got together and said the POC had to form their own separate groups. In other words, the POC are self-segregating for their own comfort, which is fine. And this way they can explore issues pertinent to them that are not part of life as a white person.

But anyway, I digress.

:anjali:
Awww poor babies, it must be so hard for them ;(

Not :rofl:

Is this for real?

If these people went to a forest monastery, they would be crying on day 1.

This is encouraging weakness, mental illness, narcissism, and just general weirdness.

The west is just so weird.

Ajahn Chah use to call the monastery for westerners the "monastery of confusion"

I mean honestly, Who else would say something like races should be segregated to "discuss issues pertinent to them" or "they are segregating themselves for their own comfort, because they feel uncomfortable around people of a particular shade" with a straight face. Seriously, who can say things like this without realizing how funny it sounds, besides westerners.

I'm so glad all of my friends are Thai. Never have to deal with anything like this.

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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by pilgrim » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:11 am

Turmeric wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Awww poor babies, it must be so hard for them ;(

Not :rofl:

Is this for real?

If these people went to a forest monastery, they would be crying on day 1.

This is encouraging weakness, mental illness, narcissism, and just general weirdness.

The west is just so weird.

Ajahn Chah use to call the monastery for westerners the "monastery of confusion"

I mean honestly, Who else would say something like races should be segregated to "discuss issues pertinent to them" or "they are segregating themselves for their own comfort, because they feel uncomfortable around people of a particular shade" with a straight face. Seriously, who can say things like this without realizing how funny it sounds, besides westerners.

I'm so glad all of my friends are Thai. Never have to deal with anything like this.
I'm from a SE Asian nation where we have Sri Lankan, Thai, Burmese and Chinese Buddhists. All my life, we just did things as normal and the issue of race, gender etc never arises. So it was quite perplexing when I went online and learnt that in the west, there are retreats for men, for women, for LBGT, for blacks, etc. And all this is done so that people feel "comfortable". Just weird for me too

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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by rightviewftw » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:38 am

i think this is a thread for engaged Dhamma.
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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by Polar Bear » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:48 am

Turmeric wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:05 pm
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Different strokes for different folks as they say. I’m not personally involved in this kind of thing but if others find it useful then good for them. I would suggest you find more constructive ways to criticize others than using elementary school style teasing, e.g. “poor babies.” It might actually be interesting if somebody made or tried to make a calm, non-reactionary, reasonable, evidence based argument suggesting that having POC or other special interest dharma groups causes more psychological harm to their participants than well-being. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Edit: I would add that I don’t think there is any evidence that POC or other special interest dhamma groups cause any harm or promote mental illness among their participants. I’d imagine the overall effect is positive.

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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by TRobinson465 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:20 am

pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:11 am
So it was quite perplexing when I went online and learnt that in the west, there are retreats for men, for women, for LBGT, for blacks, etc. And all this is done so that people feel "comfortable". Just weird for me too
They dont separate retreats by men and women where your from?
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Against the stream centers shutting down

Post by Turmeric » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:34 pm

TRobinson465 wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:20 am
pilgrim wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:11 am
So it was quite perplexing when I went online and learnt that in the west, there are retreats for men, for women, for LBGT, for blacks, etc. And all this is done so that people feel "comfortable". Just weird for me too
They dont separate retreats by men and women where your from?

If they did, it wasn't because they felt uncomfortable around "white male oppressors" :rofl:

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