Without Mahayana and Tantric teaching it is difficult have a deep understanding of four noble truths-HHDL

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Re: Without Mahayana and Tantric teaching it is difficult have a deep understanding of four noble truths-HHDL

Post by Aloka » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:35 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:58 pm
What does that mean?

It means that he is considered to be an emanation of/or represents/ the qualities of loving kindness and compassion.


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Re: Without Mahayana and Tantric teaching it is difficult have a deep understanding of four noble truths-HHDL

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:12 am

SarathW wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:03 pm
I am just referring to third Bhumi according to Mahayana.
I do not think HHDL put up with someone if he tries to cut him to pieces.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have run away from the Tibet.
I am not saying what he is doing now is wrong.
What I am saying is he has not even attain third Bhumi.
The qualities of the third Bhumi are the perfection of patience and elimination of anger. The Wikipedia article quoted earlier says that one would not be angry with the one cutting you but would have compassion for him knowing that his actions would bring about karma resulting in suffering. It does not mean that one enjoys being cut.

The Nechung Oracle advised HHDL to flee. By staying alive he has been able to do more good for others and to spread the Dharma to many places.

Here is a quote about the third Bhumi by the great 19th century teacher Patrul Rinpoche, from his A Brief Guide to the Stages and Paths of the Bodhisattvas.
Third Bhūmi

At the intermediate of the three lesser levels of the path of meditation, the pāramitā of patience is perfected. All the obscurations associated with anger are purified.

Twelve sets of one hundred thousand qualities are gained, such as the ability to enter into and arise from one hundred thousand samādhi meditations in a single instant, and so on.

One can take birth as a ruler over the Heaven of Thirty-three, like Indra.

This third bhūmi is called ‘Illuminating’, because bodhisattvas who have reached this stage shine the light of Dharma on those beings who are enshrouded in the thick darkness of their negative tendencies.
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"Even as a mother protects with her life
Her child, her only child,
So with a boundless heart
Should one cherish all living beings;
Radiating kindness over the entire world:
Spreading upwards to the skies,
And downwards to the depths;
Outwards and unbounded,"

~ From the Karaniya Metta Sutta (Sn 1.8)

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Re: Without Mahayana and Tantric teaching it is difficult have a deep understanding of four noble truths-HHDL

Post by Aloka » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:42 am

It might also be of interest that the first bodhisattva level (bhumi) in Vajrayana is said to correspond with the level of "stream enterer"(sotapanna) in Theravada.

(See "Path to Buddhahood" by Ringu Tulku)

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Re: Without Mahayana and Tantric teaching it is difficult have a deep understanding of four noble truths-HHDL

Post by Grigoris » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:53 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:58 pm
What does that mean?
That he personifies certain characteristics which are associated with the specific deity.
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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