Rational Bible: Exodus

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Re: Rational Bible: Exodus

Post by budo » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:52 pm

Will wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:35 pm
With poor filial piety or even respect for parents in the West, after a few generations more units in families become distant from each other, even foes - thus a major reason for suffering increasing.
Every being that is born is suffering otherwise they wouldn't be born. This is the nature of the reality we live in. You can try to conjure up reasons to make yourself feel like you have control over the situation, and control is a comfortable feeling, but in reality you don't have control. You can only control your actions and reactions, that's all. Your actions and reactions are only 50% of possible control you have over your own reality, the other 50%, the reality between action and reaction, is beyond your control.

We are meat machines bouncing around and conflicting with other meat machines, conflict, friction, particles rubbing together, this is literally how life is made, babies conceived, movement occurs, and suffering persists. You have zero control over this, you can die tomorrow from a tire falling off a truck and flying through your windshield, or you could simply close your eyes and never open them again.

The precepts help give us some form of control in our lives, allowing us to optimize the 50% of control we do have, beyond that we have zero control. We live in a causal universe that is so complex it may as well be random, and you could be the best most virtuous person on this planet and still die any second, like Bahiya Barkcloth who died randomly to a running bull after attaining enlightenment.

Any form of political theorizing is simply mental masturbation and a waste of time, instead focus on meditation, seeking a way out and true freedom. Realize that your mental masturbation is simply a source of subconscious primal fear because you know how little control you have.

I'm not saying I am beyond this, I also fall for these traps as well, it doesn't hurt to be mindful.

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Re: Rational Bible: Exodus

Post by Will » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:42 pm

Poor budo, what a pitiable outlook of us as 'meat machines' living in an almost random universe. You are missing the great joy in the Dhamma.

Ever read the Agganna Sutta (DN 27, I think)? It is a sort of genesis taught by Buddha. Here is one verse:
10. 'There comes a time, Vasettha, when, sooner or later after a long period, this world
contracts. At a time of contraction, beings are mostly born in the Abhassara Brahma
world. And there they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, self-luminous, moving
through the air, glorious — and they stay like that for a very long time.
But sooner or
later, after a very long period, this world begins to expand again. At a time of expansion,
the beings from the Abhassara Brahma world, [85] having passed away from there, are
mostly reborn in this world. Here they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, selfluminous,
moving through the air, glorious--and they stay like that for a very long time
.
Those are our origins - notice no 'meat' at all, just mind, delight & self-luminous.
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost. -- AN 10.1

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Re: Rational Bible: Exodus

Post by DooDoot » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:21 am

Will wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:42 pm
Poor budo, what a pitiable outlook of us as 'meat machines' living in an almost random universe. You are missing the great joy in the Dhamma.
Monks, it's just as if there were a boil that had been building for many years with nine openings, nine un-lanced heads. Whatever would ooze out from it would be an uncleanliness oozing out, a stench oozing out, a disgust oozing out. Whatever would be discharged from it would be an uncleanliness discharging, a stench discharging, a disgust discharging.

"A boil,' monks, is another word for this body composed of the four properties, born of mother & father, fed on rice & porridge, subject to inconstancy, rubbing & massaging, breaking-up & disintegrating. It has nine openings, nine un-lanced heads. Whatever would ooze out from it would be an uncleanliness oozing out, a stench oozing out, a disgust oozing out. Whatever would be discharged from it would be an uncleanliness discharging, a stench discharging, a disgust discharging. For that reason, you should become disenchanted with this body. AN 9.15
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Will wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:42 pm
Ever read the Agganna Sutta (DN 27, I think)? It is a sort of genesis taught by Buddha.
Those are our origins - notice no 'meat' at all, just mind, delight & self-luminous....
DN 27 appears to contradict Dependent Origination, which says the origin is 'ignorance'.
Genesis 3:19

By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.
Genesis 6:5

The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart.

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