wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetter_(Buddhism)Saengnapha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:42 pmI understand what you are referring to. The problem that the 2K's put forth is this: You have read/heard about Truth, Enlightenment, etc., and it has been associated with following a path to its discovery for thousands of years. This path that is talked about is supposed to lead the practitioner to enlightenment if you follow the directions. At the same time, they all say that the practitioner, self, needs to come to an end. Why would you further the cause of the self to attain something when that very self should come to an end? How can this possibly happen that you use the self, a supposed illusion, to attain Truth which is supposed to be timeless and which the self, a creation of time is supposed to attain? Something has gotten lost in the translation that these religions put forth. The burden is on the believer to shed these beliefs and look for themselves at their own state. This means the use of teachings, philosophy, words, concepts, must be put aside in order to see what this creation of path and attainment is all about. Neither of the K's would suggest reading anything that the Buddha or themselves have said, putting all of them aside and examining for oneself what is really going on. Many Buddhist masters have even claimed that there is no Buddha, Teaching, or Sangha that exists. Were they just madmen? Personally, I don't think we have any idea of what Truth is, just what it isn't. We are only computers talking to another computer.
Ven. Kotthita: "How is it, friend Sariputta, is ... the ear the fetter of sounds or are sounds the fetter of the ear?..."
Ven. Sariputta: "Friend Kotthita, the ... ear is not the fetter of sounds nor are sounds the fetter of the ear, but rather the desire and lust that arise there in dependence on both: that is the fetter there...."
So the self isn't a fetter, it is the desires what rise in dependence on the identity view.
Sensual desire isn't a fetter its the desire what rises in dependence on the sensual desire.