What is the difference between God's plan and Kamma?

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What is the difference between God's plan and Kamma?

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What is the difference between God's plan and Kamma?

They both are invisible, they govern our lives, they are omnipresent, they reward you for good deeds, punish you for bad deeds.

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No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:26 pm What is the difference between God's plan and Kamma?

They both are invisible, they govern our lives, they are omnipresent, they reward you for good deeds, punish you for bad deeds.

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One is the will of a being, one isn't?
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:26 pm
No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:26 pm What is the difference between God's plan and Kamma?

They both are invisible, they govern our lives, they are omnipresent, they reward you for good deeds, punish you for bad deeds.

:namaste:
One is the will of a being. One isn't?
Which one is a being?

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No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:27 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:26 pm
No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:26 pm What is the difference between God's plan and Kamma?

They both are invisible, they govern our lives, they are omnipresent, they reward you for good deeds, punish you for bad deeds.

:namaste:
One is the will of a being. One isn't?
Which one is a being?

:namaste:
God, in traditional monotheistic religions. Maybe in Hinduism "he" isn't a "being" though.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:28 pm
No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:27 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:26 pm One is the will of a being. One isn't?
Which one is a being?

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God, in traditional monotheistic religions. Maybe in Hinduism "he" isn't a "being" though.
Where in Christianity or Judaism does it say He is a being? As far as I know .. I maybe wrong .. He is not a being (something brought into existence) in Judaism or Christianity.

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No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:30 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:28 pm
No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:27 pm

Which one is a being?

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God, in traditional monotheistic religions. Maybe in Hinduism "he" isn't a "being" though.
Where in Christianity or Judaism does it say He is a being?

:namaste:
What is the technical definition of "a being", for you, in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam?
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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I'll cut to the chase: technically, in Christianity at least, God is a being. Because he is alive with a body in Heaven currently.

According to that religion at least.
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It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:34 pm
No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:30 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:28 pm God, in traditional monotheistic religions. Maybe in Hinduism "he" isn't a "being" though.
Where in Christianity or Judaism does it say He is a being?

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What is the technical definition of "a being", for you, in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam?
I can speak for myself

Being is something brought into existence
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:35 pm I'll cut to the chase: technically, in Christianity at least, God is a being. Because he is alive with a body in Heaven currently.
That is not a body made of flesh

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No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:35 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:34 pm
No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:30 pm

Where in Christianity or Judaism does it say He is a being?

:namaste:
What is the technical definition of "a being", for you, in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam?
I can speak for myself

Being is something brought into existence

:namaste:
Then, no. God isn't a being by those definitions, if we believe in him.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:36 pm Then, no. God isn't a being by those definitions, if we believe in him.
Right. Then what is difference between Him/It and Kamma

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No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:37 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:36 pm Then, no. God isn't a being by those definitions, if we believe in him.
Right. Then what is difference between Him/It and Kamma

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Personality IMO.

However, I don't think your definition of "being" necessarily applies in Christianity.

For instance, God is "three persons". How does that relate to his being or non-being?
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:39 pm Personality IMO.

However, I don't think your definition of "being" necessarily applies in Christianity.

For instance, God is "three persons". How does that relate to his being or non-being?
My question is not whether God is one or three or many .. how is God as we view Him/It different from Kamma

They are both manipulating marionettes from behind the curtain is it not ..

Going to sleep .. getting late here .. maybe some others will chip in

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No_Mind wrote:.. how is God as we view Him/It different from Kamma
Maybe there's really no difference after all. If anyone have read the Old Testament and even bits and pieces of the New Testament, for all practical purposes, one'd have no choice but to substitute the word God with the word Kamma in order to make sense out of those truely horrific and ghastly stories.
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No_Mind wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:59 pmMy question is not whether God is one or three or many .. how is God as we view Him/It different from Kamma

They are both manipulating marionettes from behind the curtain is it not ..
Since neither of them is a being, they don't exist, and cannot manipulate anyone. Ha ha.
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difference is that kamma is true and possible and the other is untrue and impossible.
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