Do we have a soul till Nibbana?

[cappuccino]

Soul is a mystery…

A mystery not solved by denial…

The flying spaghetti monster is a mystery....
A mystery not solve by denial....
chownah

Don't you realize there is karma in such comments?

[chownah]

Soul is a mystery…

A mystery not solved by denial…

The flying spaghetti monster is a mystery....
A mystery not solve by denial....
chownah

Don't you realize there is karma in such comments?

Indeed I do understand this very well.
Kamma mirror on the wall, whose kamma is brighest or darkest of all?
chownah

[No_Mind]

"That combined subtle body, subtle mind, no beginning, no end" - first 2 minutes of the video

If there are further questions about the soul model I proposed please take it up with HHDL



And for the first time since I began studying Buddhism in 2013 .. I have a clear idea of what I am looking for. That weird doubt about anatta irritating me like a buzzing mosquito has disappeared.

[Justsit]

"That combined subtle body, subtle mind, no beginning, no end" - first 2 minutes of the video

If there are further questions about the soul model I proposed please take it up with HHDL
(video)

I don't think His Holiness exactly equates subtle body + subtle mind to a "soul."

"...Yet Buddhism does say we have an essential nature that transcends conditioned or material existence. In the Mahayana, this is called buddhanature, the open expanse of awakeness in which all good qualities reside.

Is this just another version of a soul? Well, it is if you think of it that way—if you try to identify yourself with it. But in reality, buddhanature is said to be empty of all concepts of self and identity, as well as birth, death, time, space, etc. To be anatman, if you will."

From https://www.lionsroar.com/do-buddhists- ... in-a-soul/

[No_Mind]

"That combined subtle body, subtle mind, no beginning, no end" - first 2 minutes of the video

If there are further questions about the soul model I proposed please take it up with HHDL
(video)

I don't think His Holiness exactly equates subtle body + subtle mind to a "soul."

"...Yet Buddhism does say we have an essential nature that transcends conditioned or material existence. In the Mahayana, this is called buddhanature, the open expanse of awakeness in which all good qualities reside.

Is this just another version of a soul? Well, it is if you think of it that way—if you try to identify yourself with it. But in reality, buddhanature is said to be empty of all concepts of self and identity, as well as birth, death, time, space, etc. To be anatman, if you will."

From https://www.lionsroar.com/do-buddhists- ... in-a-soul/

I am not identifying with it. All I am saying is he is speaking of a sixth Khandha (sixth part) call it soul, atman, Factor X what you will which does not perish upon death but at Nibbana.

I have my answer. It fits everything I have learned. It fits everything Buddha taught.

I cannot be certain if others have their answers nor is it my responsibility to make certain that they have their answers .. that they are as sure as me .. I am sure is all I require.

[cappuccino]

Since Nirvana isn't a loss of self,

since there isn't self to lose,

then obviously one is not annihilated.

[No_Mind]

Since Nirvana isn't a loss of self,

since there isn't self to lose,

then obviously one is not annihilated.

All I am saying is the birth giving factor (which is normally called soul) disappears at Nibbana

I am neither speculating about what is Nibbana nor upon what is this soul.

I am really trying to focus. Have to gather my mind and meditate more.

[cappuccino]

Nirvana has no Starbucks.

Yet Samsara has many, many Starbucks.

So the factor is obviously Starbucks.

[No_Mind]

Nirvana has no Starbucks.

Yet Samsara has many, many Starbucks.

So the factor is obviously Starbucks.

Except that Starbucks does not cause rebirth but soul does

It is the only reason why Sarath has to care

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Look I think I found the pot of gold at end of the rainbow .. you think I found a pot of BS. Great. I am not asking you to follow me.

[Justsit]

All I am saying is the birth giving factor (which is normally called soul) disappears at Nibbana

I am neither speculating about what is Nibbana nor upon what is this soul.

In Buddhism, there is nothing that is "normally called soul."

Using the term "soul" conflates several religions. This might be causing some confusion in discussion.

[Coëmgenu]

"That combined subtle body, subtle mind, no beginning, no end" - first 2 minutes of the video

If there are further questions about the soul model I proposed please take it up with HHDL
(video)

I don't think His Holiness exactly equates subtle body + subtle mind to a "soul."

"...Yet Buddhism does say we have an essential nature that transcends conditioned or material existence. In the Mahayana, this is called buddhanature, the open expanse of awakeness in which all good qualities reside.

Is this just another version of a soul? Well, it is if you think of it that way—if you try to identify yourself with it. But in reality, buddhanature is said to be empty of all concepts of self and identity, as well as birth, death, time, space, etc. To be anatman, if you will."

From https://www.lionsroar.com/do-buddhists- ... in-a-soul/

I am not identifying with it. All I am saying is he is speaking of a sixth Khandha (sixth part)

Dare ye ask or insinuate HHDL says this on the other wheel? You might get banned!

[No_Mind]

All I am saying is the birth giving factor (which is normally called soul) disappears at Nibbana

I am neither speculating about what is Nibbana nor upon what is this soul.

In Buddhism, there is nothing that is "normally called soul."

Using the term "soul" conflates several religions. This might be causing some confusion in discussion.

You are welcome to call it Sastha Skandha in Sanskrit or Chattha Khanda in Pali

I have written a lot over last few pages. Chattha Khanda infuses life into an embryo and changes it to a fetus. In Hinduism it is called prana and considered as synonymous with existence of soul atman.

Buddha points out that this soul is not permanent (major difference there with Hinduism) but perishes at Nibbana.

As I have written before Christian understanding of soul is little different.

This thread is no more of interest to me. I understand what I understand.

[No_Mind]

I don't think His Holiness exactly equates subtle body + subtle mind to a "soul."

"...Yet Buddhism does say we have an essential nature that transcends conditioned or material existence. In the Mahayana, this is called buddhanature, the open expanse of awakeness in which all good qualities reside.

Is this just another version of a soul? Well, it is if you think of it that way—if you try to identify yourself with it. But in reality, buddhanature is said to be empty of all concepts of self and identity, as well as birth, death, time, space, etc. To be anatman, if you will."

From https://www.lionsroar.com/do-buddhists- ... in-a-soul/

I am not identifying with it. All I am saying is he is speaking of a sixth Khandha (sixth part)

Dare ye ask or insinuate HHDL says this on the other wheel? You might get banned!

Please reach them this gift from me

Dalai Lama: Hinduism & Buddhism are like twin brother & sisters



Dalai Lama pulls Baba Ramdev's beard



Dalai Lama offers puja to a Shiva Linga



Dalai Lama: I am a son of India



and of course what he said about a soul in the very first video

[cappuccino]

Buddha points out that this soul is not permanent (major difference there with Hinduism) but perishes at Nibbana.

Please quote the words of the Buddha.

[No_Mind]

Buddha points out that this soul is not permanent (major difference there with Hinduism) but perishes at Nibbana.

Please quote the words of the Buddha.

Rephrased - it fits with Buddha's teaching of anicca. The proposed sixth khanda is not eternal.

I have typed all I need in last few pages. Either you agree or you do not. I am not going to be back in this thread any further.