Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

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Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by SarathW » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:57 am

Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?
Why many countries like India and Sri Lanka are poor even though they are the beacon of the spirituality?

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by Crazy cloud » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 am

I've had the fortune of slipping down the social ladder ending at the bottom, and everything was just fine. Now I am back on my feat again, and nothing has changed.

But I do believe out of my own experience that a spiritual life can be much harder than a normal life. Harder but truly rewarding :)
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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by binocular » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:26 am

SarathW wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:57 am
Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?
Why many countries like India and Sri Lanka are poor even though they are the beacon of the spirituality?
India or Sri Lanka the beacons of spirituality??

I think most of what passes for "spirituality" is just trickery, confidence artistry. Some conmen and conwomen end up rich, many don't.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by James Tan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:09 pm

SarathW wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:57 am
Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?
Why many countries like India and Sri Lanka are poor even though they are the beacon of the spirituality?

The way I see it , is mostly those who are depressed and unhappy and poor are seeking spiritual comforts ! Seeking the way out from their misery ! Unfortunately of course !

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by Crazy cloud » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:30 pm

It could be as simple as it proofs the saying: Simplicity is sanity!

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by dharmacorps » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:23 pm

I think its the other way around. Unhappiness and suffering leads to a spiritual search.

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by Crazy cloud » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:29 pm

That is uncertain, it can go this way or it can go that way

In these days some of our "biggest stars" in entertainment seem to suffer much more than I
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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by binocular » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:36 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:23 pm
I think its the other way around. Unhappiness and suffering leads to a spiritual search.
Sure. But success is anything but guaranteed.
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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by DNS » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:10 pm

Actually, spiritual people and religious people tend to be happier. I won't link any studies, so no one thinks I'm cherry-picking, just google on your own and you'll see numerous studies confirm that the religious and greater religiosity tends to result in happier people.

And it extends across all socio-economic classes. It could be the sense of interconnectedness, the social effects, the sense of purpose, but it tends to result in greater happiness.

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by rightviewftw » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:15 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:10 pm
Actually, spiritual people and religious people tend to be happier. I won't link any studies, so no one thinks I'm cherry-picking, just google on your own and you'll see numerous studies confirm that the religious and greater religiosity tends to result in happier people.

And it extends across all socio-economic classes. It could be the sense of interconnectedness, the social effects, the sense of purpose, but it tends to result in greater happiness.
I've seen similar research,
Over 85% of people or so had some sort of spirituality when tested across countries and they included isolated communities in rural areas, was quite good research. I dont remember the method they used but it was clear that Nihilist views were a minority and they were not doing very well demographically.
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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by Disciple » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:38 pm

Southern evangelical christians are some of the happiest people I've ever met.

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by SarathW » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:29 pm

Southern evangelical christians are some of the happiest people I've ever met.
When we meet people in a social occasion, temple or a pub it seems they all are happy.
In the OP I am talking about people in general without their mask on.
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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by rightviewftw » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:40 am

It would be interesting to pose this question in way that below Wealth-Averaged is the standard for what constitutes poor i think :thinking:
That could be calculated to aproximate estimation easily. My guess is Nihilists overrepresented somehow in the mid-high range.
My guess would be that Nihilism is overrepresented in depression too.

Also this;
SarathW wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:57 am
Why many countries like India and Sri Lanka are poor even though they are the beacon of the spirituality?
Rich or poor is measured in contentment better
Treasury of Truth (Dhammapada) Chapter 15, Happiness - BuddhaNet
www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_happy.htm

Verse 204. Four Supreme Acquisitions.
  1. Health's the greatest gain,
  • contentment, best of wealth,
  • trusting's best of kin,
  • Nibbana bliss supreme.
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How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
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Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by SarathW » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:57 am

not numbers on a screen or metal in hand.
:rofl:
I wish we can practice this.
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Re: Are spiritual people depressed and unhappy and poor?

Post by rightviewftw » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:59 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:57 am
Wealth measured in contentment, not numbers on a screen or metal in hand.
:rofl:
I wish we can practice this.
:heart: me too
How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
Intro to General Semantics
Factors & Perceptions

Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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