Do we find four stages of sainthood in Mahayana or Vajrayana?

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Re: Do we find four stages of sainthood in Mahayana or Vajrayana?

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Saengnapha wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:19 am
SarathW wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:59 pm
There is no distinction whatsoever between saṃsāra and
nirvāṇa.
Does this mean without Samsara there is no Nibbana?
Or
Samsara and Nibbana the two sides of the same coin?
All descriptions cannot capture what the phrase samsara is nirvana and vice versa means. When you define this, you create only images, more thinking, more grasping. It has nothing to do with opposites. It is about suchness. What can you say about suchness? Does it exist? :D
Mean is the average of opposites. Opposite is 'highs' and 'lows' of the same thing(suchness).
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