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Hindu Practice Vs Buddhist Practice
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“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Nothing would make me happier than being your brother .. honestly
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
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No, it doesn't. That's ju
st your projection.
Who says they can't?But can two people (or two sets of people) not reach same set of rules when approaching enlightenment?
It's not like the Buddha claimed copyright over nibbana.
Do we have to? I feel no such need.Why do we have to look upon rise of personal computers as Gates vs Jobs .. why not Gates and Jobs.
Where do you see this otherness? Because I don't see it.Why can this not have happened in India 2,500 years ago about soteriology? Why is it Buddhism vs Hinduism .. why look upon them as competing traditions .. why this otherness from Buddhists ..
It's not clear that they in fact do so. Rather, as far as I know, Hinduism (whatever that most complex, versatile term means), sees other religions merely as pit stops or partial paths; and that eventually, one has to be born into a proper Hindu religion, with a proper Hindu varnashrama to really become able to attain liberation.Hinduism accepts Buddhism and Jainism as valid paths to Nibbana or Moksha or whatever lies at the end.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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Binocular .. You do not expect me to answer do you .. !!
Last time we had a tête-à-tête you suddenly decided to walk away from the argument .. remember you wrote "I was expected to think?" and then I asked "Who expected you to think?" and waited and waited and waited and waited .. but no reply
I am not engaging with you in long, fruitless discussion on a beautiful thread like this which is meant to spread love, amity and greater understanding.
I have noted most of your posts are cryptic questions
X - I saw blue sky
Binocular - What do you mean by sky.
From now on I am not going to explain and answer your cryptic questions .. you have to ask questions where you explain what you ask, why you ask and your take on it first. Show proper respect others in the discussion.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
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I feel when it comes to practice, H and B are very similar. They differ only on the destination. While Hindus believe in an ultimate reality, Buddhists don't.
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In the video of Dalai Lama I shared .. he gives a really good brief speech about it.
And you are correct .. the destination is different .. and in all probability when one is at very end .. one finds Brahman to be nothingness. That nothing is the only something which exists.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
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No-Mind, I refer you to this very short sutta in which the Buddha addresses your view/any view that is taken as a conclusion. If you can somehow get the gist of what is being said, it will go a long way and help one in letting go of the intellectual pursuit of real wisdom.No_Mind wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:02 amIn the video of Dalai Lama I shared .. he gives a really good brief speech about it.
And you are correct .. the destination is different .. and in all probability when one is at very end .. one finds Brahman to be nothingness. That nothing is the only something which exists.
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I have read it in Bhikkhu Nanananda's The Magic of the MindSaengnapha wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:00 amNo-Mind, I refer you to this very short sutta in which the Buddha addresses your view/any view that is taken as a conclusion. If you can somehow get the gist of what is being said, it will go a long way and help one in letting go of the intellectual pursuit of real wisdom.No_Mind wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:02 amIn the video of Dalai Lama I shared .. he gives a really good brief speech about it.
And you are correct .. the destination is different .. and in all probability when one is at very end .. one finds Brahman to be nothingness. That nothing is the only something which exists.
https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books12/Kat ... e_Mind.pdf
But did not understand much.
I have found understanding difficult suttas depends on wisdom which comes with age. I am not that wise yet and too much is going on in my life to quietly contemplate a difficult sutta for 2-3 weeks (or even 2-3 days) with nothing else that is not in some way existentially threatening (or seems to be so) intervening.
Maybe a few years hence .. say a decade .. I will have some peace and quiet .. it all depends on Kamma .. when I finally have peace and quiet after half a century of tumult it may come with a debilitating condition of the eye or Alzheimers.
I am a great believer in ripening of Kamma for something to happen.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
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There's a saying that goes, "It is what it is."
Differentiating between Brahman and Sunnata may very well be a futile exercise in semantics. The only difference may be simply conceptual.
It reminds me of the so-called zero point energy field that quantum physics has explicated. It is "zero point energy" and yet there is enough of it in a teaspoon of empty space to boil all of the oceans on our planet. The "zeroness" is relative and theoretical, not an absolute (even if it is called "absolute zero")
Can we then call the zero point field or the quantum "vacuum" an actual "plenum?" Then what is the difference between vacuum and plenum?
To me this is a lot like the difference between the Unconditioned as described by Buddhists ("emptiness" or sunnata) and as described by Hindus/Yogis ("fullness" or Brahman - Brahman apparently just means something like "the most-est" or "the biggest-est", i.e. the all-encompassing, that which there is nothing greater than)
Whatever it is is what it is.
But good to also remember that Brahman is described as both Nirguna and Saguna... Saguna is always conditional, Nirguna is not.
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jmccoy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:06 amWhatever it is is what it is.
But good to also remember that Brahman is described as both Nirguna and Saguna... Saguna is always conditional, Nirguna is not.
Saguna Brahman is mainstream/institutional Hinduism and not at all within purview of my discussion. I do not believe in anthropomorphic forms/representations of Brahman.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
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Fair enough.No_Mind wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:13 am
Saguna Brahman is mainstream/institutional Hinduism and not at all within purview of my discussion. I do not believe in anthropomorphic forms/representations of Brahman.
I actually didn't have anthropomorphic form in mind (i.e. "Brahman as Ishvara") when I mentioned Saguna. I was thinking more along the lines of Brahman with upadhi (Saguna) vs Brahman without upadhi (Nirguna).
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I'm not even sure if Brahman is at all in the purview of this discussion. I thought the purview here was about practice.
Buddhism places less or no emphasis on pranayama (and therefore basically kundalini / laya yoga) or niyama. Otherwise all the semblances of yama, asana, pratyahara, and samyama are present there in Buddhism.
Buddhism places less or no emphasis on pranayama (and therefore basically kundalini / laya yoga) or niyama. Otherwise all the semblances of yama, asana, pratyahara, and samyama are present there in Buddhism.
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It is not within purview of this discussion
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
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Even though pranayama is more or less disregarded in Buddhist practice we still have to consider that in deep meditation (such as extended anapana) breathing slows dramatically or even "stops." Don't the yogis call this "kevala kumbhaka?"
Pranayama is a type of "brute force" cultivation of the so-called breathless state while Buddhist practice will lead to or toward it more passively and gradually (and safely).
I think the Tathagata was wise in omitting pranayama since it can be problematic for people with certain health issues and he seemed to be all for making meditation / "yoga" (enlightenment) more of a mainstream thing, which I don't think it was before his day (correct me if I'm wrong).
Pranayama is a type of "brute force" cultivation of the so-called breathless state while Buddhist practice will lead to or toward it more passively and gradually (and safely).
I think the Tathagata was wise in omitting pranayama since it can be problematic for people with certain health issues and he seemed to be all for making meditation / "yoga" (enlightenment) more of a mainstream thing, which I don't think it was before his day (correct me if I'm wrong).
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No historical evidence is there about various breathing exercises .. pranayam .. existed at time of Buddha .. may or may not have.jmccoy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:56 am Even though pranayama is more or less disregarded in Buddhist practice we still have to consider that in deep meditation (such as extended anapana) breathing slows dramatically or even "stops." Don't the yogis call this "kevala kumbhaka?"
Pranayama is a type of "brute force" cultivation of the so-called breathless state while Buddhist practice will lead to or toward it more passively and gradually (and safely).
I think the Tathagata was wise in omitting pranayama since it can be problematic for people with certain health issues and he seemed to be all for making meditation / "yoga" (enlightenment) more of a mainstream thing, which I don't think it was before his day (correct me if I'm wrong).
I doubt if Hatha Yoga (all the physical twisting) was there in his time. Most probably by his time yogis had perfected ways of strengthening the spine, core and legs (to sit for long periods) .. but nothing more. I think rechak, kumbhak etc all came later.
Note Patanjali's second-century (BCE/CE) Yoga Sutra (link in OP) mentions no poses at all, other than the seated meditation posture.
If only we had a time machine .. so much to know from the past. As some one put in the comments he sounds exactly like Darth Vader while doing it.
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"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus