Saengnapha wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:37 am
jmccoy wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:05 pm
Saengnapha wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:12 am
Then all you have are various ideas that you've formulated through reading his books and accounts of others. You have no first hand experience of what it is like to be around him and his disciples and live the life that he is proposing. Am I correct? You could be completely mistaken about your conclusions, and the people that have talked about him could have been mistaken about their conclusions, both positive or negative. So what do you rely on to 'judge' someone like him or anyone else that you really don't know or have first hand experience with?
I'm sorry, but who are you? I seem to recall asking a question specifically of No_Mind.
Unless you are No_Mind and are running two or more accounts, then you, sir (or ma'am) are invited to ignore my presence on this thread and forum (i.e. you are now on my foe list). I have no interest in dialoguing with you at all.
Have a nice life, or not.
This is a discussion board. Posters are free to respond to posts. I asked you a few simple questions and you flipped out.
And even though you put the term 'judge' into quotes (thereby making whatever you actually meant totally unclear) I will simply assume that you were making a judgment of me and saying that I was JUDGING Adi Da.
The only judgmental statement I definitely made was that he wasn't the sole 7th stage realizer.
What do I rely on to make that judgment? Like every other homo sapien sapiens, I rely on my own discernment (viveka) of matters.
Perhaps it is a surprise to you to imagine the possibility that a firsthand experience of something is not necessary to make an accurate judgment or discernment about it. Hopefully it is not so surprising to you. Otherwise, I have some real estate in the Cayman Islands that I think you would be very interested in.
I am curious - would you agree or disagree that it is safe to discern that playing "Russian Roulette" is not a good idea without actually playing it?
I find your questioning my judgment of Adi Da to be redundant and non-constructive, particularly if you yourself have a) never had "firsthand" experience of Adi Da and b) never had "firsthand" experience of me. Now if you seriously believe that Adi Da's enlightenment is superior to Gautama Siddhartha's and altogether unparalleled by any and all realizers (as Adi Da remarked to be so on at least one occasion), then good for you - and I would ask YOU to qualify that judgment. Otherwise I only wonder what is the motivation and/or inspiration of your questioning my judgment in the first place? Were you really hoping to gain a non-"out-flipped" response to your clearly confrontational (while claimed-by-you "simple") few questions?
Why do I think Adi Da wasn't more enlightened than Gautama? (that's actually your question, dude) Generally because Adidam isn't as widely accepted by the world as Gautama's dhamma is. And for someone who claimed to be the "Promised World-Teacher" there doesn't seem to be much that is going to happen with Adidam that is actually going to de-feat Dhamma, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, and various other *isms that are well-instituted on this planet.
Otherwise I actually like Adi Da and prefer his talks/satsangs over mostly anyone else's. I also do have some general aversion regarding the various sexual controversies that surround him because I have an affinity toward the precept to refrain from sexual misconduct. Whether or not the controversies have basis is relatively irrelevant considering that the Tathagata had no such stigma associated with him (which is part of the basis of why I "judge" Adi Da as NOT being more realized than Buddha).
But hey, if you like boinking other peoples' wives/husbands and having your wife/husband boinked by others, then maybe
Adidam is for you. Just because I don't have firsthand experience of the sexual controversies of Adidam doesn't mean they aren't true, and more importantly it doesn't mean that I should dismiss them skeptically until or unless I were to have experienced them firsthand as true.