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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by DooDoot » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:56 pm

Under Islam, the Buddha idols stood for 1,300 years. The Taliban terrorists, who also murder Muslims, blew up those Buddha idols. The Taliban were created by the USA. Watch the short videos:




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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Kusala » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:36 pm

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Re: Muslims, Islam and Europe

Post by Caodemarte » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:55 pm

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5 cents. Last week I had a talk with sri-lankan student. She said she was from a small town near Colombo (or Kandy - I forgot!). 90% of population there - muslims, and local government is muslim too. And you know what? They forbade buddhists to celebrate openly (on the streets) buddhist holidays like Vesak for example. Just one small life fact.
Nonsense. Sound likes more bigoted propaganda. No local government has or could forbid celebrations of holidays of the majority religion in Sri Lanka. Additionally, I would be very surprised if there is a small town with 90 per cent Muslim population who have somehow seized control of local government and violate Sri Lankan law in a climare of mob violence against non-Buddhist minorites.

BTW the Muslim population is almost entirely concentrated in the greater Colombo or greater Jaffna south area, the majority being in Colombo with small numbers along the west coast. This is because most Muslims are the descendants of import/export traders. I have never heard of any area with a “Muslim government.”

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Caodemarte » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:18 am

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Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:08 pm
What's interesting is the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of Rohingya refugees in Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but they aren't given citizenship...but a Buddhist country is supposed to?

UN committee urges Myanmar to give citizenship to Rohingyas http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... s-51197288
Rohingyas are from Myanmar. They are not immigrants from Bangla Desh or Muslim countries. They are citizens of Myanmar who are being persecuted by those filled with hate or in a cynical move to outflank political reformers.

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Caodemarte » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:29 am

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As a side note I believe the Taliban blew up the Bamiyan statues as a blow against the minority Shi’a population in that area. The states were the most famous monuments in the region and there was significant local pride in their existence. They were also the major tourist attraction in the province during happier days. As noted, no one had a religious objection for the many centuries of Islamic rule before the Taliban showed up. Not even the Taliban claimed that there were secret Buddhists out there worshiping in secret!

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by pilgrim » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:45 am

DooDoot wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:56 pm
Under Islam, the Buddha idols stood for 1,300 years.
Only because they failed to demolish it entirely as the did not have modern tools and explosives. But they managed to remove the face and other identifying features with their crude tools. The Taliban finished the job with modern explosives.

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Caodemarte » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:53 am

pilgrim wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:45 am
DooDoot wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:56 pm
Under Islam, the Buddha idols stood for 1,300 years.
Only because they failed to demolish it entirely as the did not have modern tools and explosives. But they managed to remove the face and other identifying features with their crude tools. The Taliban finished the job with modern explosives.
What is your evidence for this statement? Trust me when I say that Afghans have had gunpowder for some time!

More seriously archaeologists reported that the main bodies were hewn from the cliffs, but details were modeled in mud mixed with straw, coated with stucco. The painted coating, based on the remaining pigments, was assumed by archaeologists to have worn away. The upper parts of their faces were made from wooden masks or casts. Rows of holes were photographed that held wooden pegs that apparently stabilized the outer stucco. All very perishable.

As Buddhism went extinct (and later after the Silk Road economy collapsed and the area lost population) neglect in a harsh environment appears far more likely a cause of any damage (and we have physical evidence of that) than deliberate damage (I personally have not come across any evidence of any pre-Taliban deliberate destruction). Certainly in modern times the locsal Muslim population took great pride in their existence which is why I beleive the Taliban destoyed them.

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by pilgrim » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:08 am

Caodemarte wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:53 am
pilgrim wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:45 am
DooDoot wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:56 pm
Under Islam, the Buddha idols stood for 1,300 years.
Only because they failed to demolish it entirely as the did not have modern tools and explosives. But they managed to remove the face and other identifying features with their crude tools. The Taliban finished the job with modern explosives.
What is your evidence for this statement? Trust me when I say that Afghans have had gunpowder for some time!

More seriously archaeologists reported that the main bodies were hewn from the cliffs, but details were modeled in mud mixed with straw, coated with stucco. The painted coating, based on the remaining pigments, was assumed by archaeologists to have worn away. The upper parts of their faces were made from wooden masks or casts. Rows of holes were photographed that held wooden pegs that apparently stabilized the outer stucco. All very perishable.

As Buddhism went extinct (and later after the Silk Road economy collapsed and the area lost population) neglect in a harsh environment appears far more likely a cause of any damage (and we have physical evidence of that) than deliberate damage (I personally have not come across any evidence of any pre-Taliban deliberate destruction). Certainly in modern times the locsal Muslim population took great pride in their existence which is why I beleive the Taliban destoyed them.
History records that the Mughal king Aurangzeb tried to destroy it with cannons in the 17th century but I think the vandalism started as far back as the 9th century with the Persian king Yaʿqūb ibn Layth al-Ṣaffār.

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Kusala » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:05 am

Caodemarte wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:18 am
Kusala wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:08 pm
What's interesting is the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of Rohingya refugees in Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but they aren't given citizenship...but a Buddhist country is supposed to?

UN committee urges Myanmar to give citizenship to Rohingyas http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... s-51197288
Rohingyas are from Myanmar. They are not immigrants from Bangla Desh or Muslim countries. They are citizens of Myanmar who are being persecuted by those filled with hate or in a cynical move to outflank political reformers.
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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Zom » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:40 pm

Nonsense. Sound likes more bigoted propaganda. No local government has or could forbid celebrations of holidays of the majority religion in Sri Lanka. Additionally, I would be very surprised if there is a small town with 90 per cent Muslim population who have somehow seized control of local government and violate Sri Lankan law in a climare of mob violence against non-Buddhist minorites.
That was not a propaganda, because that was the answer to rather unperdictable question. I doubt she was lying.

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Caodemarte » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:57 pm

Kusala wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:05 am
Caodemarte wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:18 am
Kusala wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:08 pm
What's interesting is the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of Rohingya refugees in Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but they aren't given citizenship...but a Buddhist country is supposed to?

UN committee urges Myanmar to give citizenship to Rohingyas http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... s-51197288
Rohingyas are from Myanmar. They are not immigrants from Bangla Desh or Muslim countries. They are citizens of Myanmar who are being persecuted by those filled with hate or in a cynical move to outflank political reformers.
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Fail to see the relevance. Please refer to any standard history of Burma or Myanmar. You will quickly see that many ethnic groups, including the Rohingya, have moved around the country for at least hundreds of years. The Rohingya with their own language (not Bengali) and history are clearly one of them with as much right to be citizens as anyone else. If you are arguing that non-Buddhists should be expelled and have no rights to exist in the country, as some bigots do, then you will have to argue for the murder or expulsion of the Christians (see Karen), the animist, etc, as some bigots do. You will have to kill or suppress the main opposition Buddhist monks who fight against this, of course, which some bigots are trying to do. There really is no logical end to the path of murder and hatred against any minority except ceasing to kill and hate any minority.
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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Caodemarte » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:02 pm

Zom wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:40 pm
Nonsense. Sound likes more bigoted propaganda. No local government has or could forbid celebrations of holidays of the majority religion in Sri Lanka. Additionally, I would be very surprised if there is a small town with 90 per cent Muslim population who have somehow seized control of local government and violate Sri Lankan law in a climare of mob violence against non-Buddhist minorites.
That was not a propaganda, because that was the answer to rather unperdictable question. I doubt she was lying.
She may have been naively repeating bigoted propaganda or maliciously repeating it, but that does not change the fact that it is bigoted propaganda. It is like the absurd claim that England or the US is under Muslim rule and have outlawed Christmas, meant to stir up hatred.

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by Kusala » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:53 am

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Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

Post by DNS » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:00 pm

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That article appears to be wrong. I don't see any mention of Nalanda being destroyed in recent years. See the timeline here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_U ... y#Timeline

I like Nalanda Univ., I even have a license plate frame commemorating Nalanda, but it is not the first university as the author claims.

Plato's Academy 427 BCE
Peripatetic school 350 BCE
Lyceum 334 BCE
Nalanda 427 CE (about 854 years after Plato's Academy)

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