Saengnapha wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:50 am
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:32 pm
Smell plays a greater part in your daily life than does taste. The olfactory organs are constantly open to odors. But if you do not interfere with the sense of smell, what is there is only an irritation in the nose. It makes no difference whether you are smelling cow dung or an expensive French perfume -- you rub the nose and move on.
Just lets take that above sentence. It doesn't take into account that if you are in a closed room you can't move on without figuring out that you need use door.
Imagine now with hidden walls, he just ignores them that they are there, so he breaks rules, he don't use handle and door to move from one room to another, he is brute.
There is many ways to breath, and certain breath allows to get to another part of the body and use that function there for an example come aware in a certain way to cultivate that state.
All critics is based on fact that he is anti-meditator cultivater, doesn't know the subtle ways therfore.
Do you know what the expression 'down a rabbit hole' means in English? I think you have fallen into a rabbit hole. You will have to extricate yourself from it before you could enter into a real dialogue on what UG was talking about. Since you are almost unintelligible in your responses, I don't hold out much hope that we can really discuss anything.
This state of "not knowing", or natural state, is not just my particular state. This is as much your natural state as it is mine. It is not the state of a God-realised man, a Self-realised man. It is not the state of a holy man. It is the natural state of every one of you here. But since you are looking to somebody else and you are reaching out for some kind of a state of liberation or freedom, you are lost.
Can this natural state be captured, contained and expressed through words? It cannot. It is not a conscious state of your existence. It can never become part of your conscious thinking. And then why do I talk of this state of "not knowing"? For all practical purposes it does not exist at all. It can never become part of your conscious thinking.
Here, I have to explain what I mean by the word "consciousness". You and I mean two different things, probably – I don't know. When do you become conscious of a thing? Only when the thought comes in between what is there in front of you and what is supposed to be there inside of you. That is consciousness...
So, you have to necessarily use thought to become conscious of the things around you, or the persons around you. Otherwise, you are not conscious of the things at all.
What can anyone do about this thought? It has a tremendous momentum of millions and millions of years. Can I do anything about that thought? Can I stop it? Can I mould it? Can I shape it? Can I do anything about it?.....
When I say that, I do not, of course, mean what these people in India talk about – that thought must be used in order to get into a thoughtless state or into a meditative state. But there is no such thing as a thoughtless state at all. Thoughts are there; they will be there all the time. Thoughts will disappear only when you become a dead corpse – let me use these two words – "dead corpse".
They can promise you that in that thoughtless state – in that state of silence, in that state of quietness, or in that state of a "quiet mind", or whatever phrase you want to use – there will be this real "bliss", "beatitude","love", "religious joy" and "ecstatic state of being". All that is balderdash. Because, that state – if there is any state like the state of bliss – it can never become part of your consciousness. It can never become part of your conscious existence. So, you might as well throw the whole thing – the whole crap of these ideas, concepts and abstractions about the blissful states – into a cocked hat, if I may use that American slang.
So, what is one to do? Can anybody help you? No outside agency can help you. That means a complete and total rejection, as I said in the beginning, of all that man has thought and felt before you. As long as there is any trace of knowledge, in any shape, in any form, in your consciousness, you are living in a divided state of consciousness.
I refer to my coming into a state of "not knowing" as "the calamity". What happened? I don't know. Suddenly thought has fallen into its natural state. The continuity has come to an end. So, what I am saying is not the product of thinking. It is not manufactured by my thought structure inside. Nor is it a logically ascertained premise.
See i'm smart enough to find out what he talks about and know exactly even in deep mud i can recognize what is the pinpoint. Im not interested in listening endless talks where he try to get people into that state.
He made up his own terms for that state, theory etc. Its him who doesn't understand other people who have also gotten that state who made their own terms, and it seem what is common for them is to bash them who try to get into that state in various means.
And for you to know there still are different grades to it, inferior, middle and superior. His heart or something weren't open enough to let other people in and listen to them.
I listen on internet from hedonist people about "something", i had disgusting feeling arose, before i didn't felt its the result of cultivation i could able to take it longer watch without starting to demonstrate aversion, i at one point decided to open up and i got sick from my own toxicness what got triggered by listening them.
Yes i downplay that natural state.
The continuity has come to an end. So, what I am saying is not the product of thinking. It is not manufactured by my thought structure inside. Nor is it a logically ascertained premise. But what is happening here is only the expression of that state of being where you do not know what is happening. You do not know how this organism is functioning. This is a pure and simple physical and physiological state of being. It has no religious undertones or overtones. It has no mystical content whatsoever. And, at the same time, this extraordinary thing, the extraordinary intelligence that is there, which is a product of centuries of human evolution, is able to express itself and deal with any problem and any situation without creating problems for us.
When on that natural state there is unknowng, nothing , but its because you haven't developed energy, internal breath, it appears, at first there is only very little; sense of self etc, all mystic states come from that natural state.
Also lucid dream, when you become aware of yourself, the dream has end and coming aware of reality where you were coming.
So yes the state is oridnary and nothing to talk about nothign to feel about, but then you should use focus and cocnetration or triggers so you can do somethign what also same time won't kick you out of that state etc, there is so many possibilities but there is a Way, i think he did discover the state but didn't discover the way?
While he recognize the intelligence too, but still remains bashing those who try to get into that state various means. I think he don't realize you need "calamity" to get to that state. So perhaps he is genious, he bashes others so to cause calamity.
You said you finally got what he spoke, do you have natural state? Do you have acquired natural state season pass?