i used to think jesus was a fully enlightened person, if not self-awakened, but after i watched this video i thought this must not be true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCJUg52adII
but that leads me to another conclusion, perhaps, that jesus didn't exist. or that jesus did exist but his record has been obscured. bringing others back from the dead must be something figurative. i guess it doesn't matter
was jesus an arahant
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Re: was jesus an arahant
He would have to have been Buddhist to be an arahant. There are theories he was. I don't know if they are true. I don't feel there's enough information about him since he is so detached from a Buddhist context. But I know very little about Christianity.
Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in
Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in
Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss
Re: was jesus an arahant
He probably believed in the Jewish God which makes him an eternalist.
So probably not
So probably not
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Re: was jesus an arahant
Perhaps off topic: jesus was not a christian and buddha was not a buddhist.
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Re: was jesus an arahant
I think that maybe jesus was a pachinkobuddha and thus would qualify as an arahant.....I guess.....don't know for sure.....maranadhammomhi wrote:He would have to have been Buddhist to be an arahant. There are theories he was. I don't know if they are true. I don't feel there's enough information about him since he is so detached from a Buddhist context. But I know very little about Christianity.
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Re: was jesus an arahant
Buddha did not call himself a "Buddhist" because the term "Buddhism" didn't exist yet. He followed the Dhamma-Vinaya which he rediscovered, in a line of past samma-sam-buddhas. "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" as the saying goes, so it was Buddhism.chownah wrote:Perhaps off topic: jesus was not a christian and buddha was not a buddhist.
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If Jesus existed, he was probably a Jewish-reformer which is why he was not accepted by the priestly class and masses. In the Samaritan story, Jesus says something like "salvation is for the Jews" to the Samaritan woman and he held a Passover ceremony in the Last Supper, which suggests still being a Jew.
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Perhaps not written by chownah?chownah wrote:Perhaps off topic: jesus was not a christian and buddha was not a buddhist.
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My bad attempt at a joke.
Jesus is often called the "Buddha of the West" by ecumenically minded Buddhists. I hear this generally a lot more from ecumenically minded Mahāyāna Buddhists, but I imagine the sentiment pervades in ecumenical areas of Theravāda as well. There are similarities between the teachings of Jesus and Buddhadharma (the focus on intention and intentionality being a huge parallel) and there are dissimilarities (often coming from the divergent Indic and [Hellenized?] Jewish cultural-religious backgrounds).
If we want to call Jesus a "Buddha" we then have to argue that either a) Christians do not have the original teachings of Jesus, or have them poorly preserved (Christian textual criticism is a very well-established field, this would not be a fruitful avenue of critique) or b) the Dharma can take on more provisional forms that conventionally thought.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Re: was jesus an arahant
Was Jesus free of greed, anger, and delusion (about the Four Noble Truths)?Coëmgenu wrote:If we want to call Jesus a "Buddha" we then have to argue that either a) Christians do not have the original teachings of Jesus, or have them poorly preserved (Christian textual criticism is a very well-established field, this would not be a fruitful avenue of critique) or b) the Dharma can take on more provisional forms that conventionally thought.
From what can be read in the Bible, he maintained self-view and was an eternalist. So, no, he doesn't qualify for a buddha.
It's possible to be so open-minded that one's brains fall out ...b) the Dharma can take on more provisional forms that conventionally thought.
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How would I know? His "suffering" on the cross is very important in Christianity... so...binocular wrote:Was Jesus free of greed, anger, and delusion (about the Four Noble Truths)?Coëmgenu wrote:If we want to call Jesus a "Buddha" we then have to argue that either a) Christians do not have the original teachings of Jesus, or have them poorly preserved (Christian textual criticism is a very well-established field, this would not be a fruitful avenue of critique) or b) the Dharma can take on more provisional forms that conventionally thought.
Well, to be fair, "self-view" is a Indic concept that is completely foreign to non-Indic metaphysics. Non-Indic metaphysics may hold what Indic metaphysics "would call" an ātman, but the discourse of ātman/attā itself is utterly foreign to the West, IMO.binocular wrote:From what can be read in the Bible, he maintained self-view and was an eternalist. So, no, he doesn't qualify for a buddha.
Ummm.... who exactly is this "self" you are positing who "owns" brains that can fall out?binocular wrote:It's possible to be so open-minded that one's brains fall out ...b) the Dharma can take on more provisional forms that conventionally thought.
Nvm I'm just being a troll. Yeah, indeed.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Re: was jesus an arahant
It reminds me of how Muslims say that Gautama was a Prophet sent by Allah who was misunderstood by the people he preached.Coëmgenu wrote:
If we want to call Jesus a "Buddha" we then have to argue that either a) Christians do not have the original teachings of Jesus, or have them poorly preserved (Christian textual criticism is a very well-established field, this would not be a fruitful avenue of critique)
Re: was jesus an arahant
Absorbing sacred figures from another religion and ranked it at a lower hierarchy of one own belief system is a common strategy to downplay competitors.
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I always had a hard time praying to Jesus as I never thought he was pure in conduct i.e. His getting angry at the money changers in the temple.
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
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I read about his hidden life and his years in india, when he was in the cross he attained samadhi to deal with pain, then he appeared to be dead, then the romans took him to his tumb, and his master from india awaken him to go to india by using psychic powers. So he never died in the cross i think, there is a tumb in cachemire where people call the dead person there as isa the name given to him in that place, he had sons, and got married.
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Did the Buddha take refuge in any of his past-lives?David N. Snyder wrote:Buddha did not call himself a "Buddhist" because the term "Buddhism" didn't exist yet. He followed the Dhamma-Vinaya which he rediscovered, in a line of past samma-sam-buddhas.chownah wrote:Perhaps off topic: jesus was not a christian and buddha was not a buddhist.
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