Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?

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Re: Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?

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Not that I fully accept the Commentary version, but just to put it in the Gregorian calendar format:

483 BCE to 517 CE = Arahants possible with the four analytical knowledges
517 CE to 1517 = Arahants possible with bare insight
1517 to 2517 = Only up to anagamis possible, no arahants (our current age)
2517 to 3517 = Only up to sakadagamis possible
3517 to 4517 = Only up to sotapannas possible
Its okey, non-returning is more than enough for me :D
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Zom wrote:
Not that I fully accept the Commentary version, but just to put it in the Gregorian calendar format:

483 BCE to 517 CE = Arahants possible with the four analytical knowledges
517 CE to 1517 = Arahants possible with bare insight
1517 to 2517 = Only up to anagamis possible, no arahants (our current age)
2517 to 3517 = Only up to sakadagamis possible
3517 to 4517 = Only up to sotapannas possible
Its okey, non-returning is more than enough for me :D
Agreed!
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tiltbillings wrote:The question is: Will human-beings last 5,000 years?
Exactly.
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Mkoll wrote:
Zom wrote:
Not that I fully accept the Commentary version, but just to put it in the Gregorian calendar format:

483 BCE to 517 CE = Arahants possible with the four analytical knowledges
517 CE to 1517 = Arahants possible with bare insight
1517 to 2517 = Only up to anagamis possible, no arahants (our current age)
2517 to 3517 = Only up to sakadagamis possible
3517 to 4517 = Only up to sotapannas possible
Its okey, non-returning is more than enough for me :D
Agreed!
Sotapanna is more than enough for me. :D
I can enjoy the celestial realms for seven lives and then will assure the Nibbana.
You can eat the cake and have it too!
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SarathW wrote:I can enjoy the celestial realms for seven lives and then will assure the Nibbana.
It's possible that all seven of those lives would be in the human realm. :stirthepot:
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Not after year 4517. ;)
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SarathW wrote:Hi Kusala
It is only a warning sign.
It tells you what to do and what not to do to prevent deteriorating of the original teaching.
:reading:
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He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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I agree with Ven. T.
The true Dharma is still there but a person has to be selective.
I have no doubt we still can realise Nibbna in this present day and age.
:anjali:
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SarathW wrote:Sotapanna is more than enough for me. :D
I can enjoy the celestial realms for seven lives and then will assure the Nibbana.
You can eat the cake and have it too!
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"I wish I could have an eighth one." ;)
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SarathW wrote:Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?
- Where it is said?
- When will be the peak?
- What is the possible fate of other religions?
- Will there be a new religions grow bigger than all major religions?

:thinking:

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http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 297&hilit=
I don't find pondering such speculative questions useful.
I think what is of far greater relevance is pondering whether one will continue to practice diligently for the rest of one's life.
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I don't find pondering such speculative questions useful.
I think what is of far greater relevance is pondering whether one will continue to practice diligently for the rest of one's life.
With metta,
Ben

What a wonderful wisdom ! Inspiring...............
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Arahants with "bare insight" - Arahants without jhanas

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culaavuso wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:38 am
[url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PYMnAAAAQBAJ]Inaccuracies in Buddhist Women's History[/url] (p. 9) by Ven. Bhikkhunī Kūsuma wrote:
In his commentary, Buddhaghosa eventually increases the life of the sāsana to 5,000 years. During the first 1,000 years, he says, there will be arahants with the four analytical knowledges. The next 1,000 years there will be "bare insight" arahants. The next 1,000 years there will be anāgāmin (non-returners). The next 1,000 years there will be sakadāgāmin (once returners) and the next 1,000 years there will be sotāpanna (stream enterers). Adding these figures together, we find that the paṭivedha (realization or penetration of the Dhamma) will last for 5,000 years.
The Theravada school cannot satisfy 37 principles, since last Arahants (before the 15th century ad) were already Arahants with "bare insight" - Arahants without jhanas. Of the 37 principles, samadhi (jhanas) falls out.
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Germann wrote:The Theravada school cannot satisfy 37 principles, since last Arahants (before the 15th century ad) were already Arahants with "bare insight" - Arahants without jhanas. Of the 37 principles, samadhi (jhanas) falls out.
Actually, even with the "bare insight", or dry-insight pathway, there's still samadhi involved. It's called momentary concentration/khanikaSamadhi (see Ven. Gunaratana's "The Jhanas" for more details). So, the claim that "The Theravada school cannot satisfy 37 principles" is incorrect.
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Germann wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:58 am
culaavuso wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:38 am
[url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PYMnAAAAQBAJ]Inaccuracies in Buddhist Women's History[/url] (p. 9) by Ven. Bhikkhunī Kūsuma wrote:
In his commentary, Buddhaghosa eventually increases the life of the sāsana to 5,000 years. During the first 1,000 years, he says, there will be arahants with the four analytical knowledges. The next 1,000 years there will be "bare insight" arahants. The next 1,000 years there will be anāgāmin (non-returners). The next 1,000 years there will be sakadāgāmin (once returners) and the next 1,000 years there will be sotāpanna (stream enterers). Adding these figures together, we find that the paṭivedha (realization or penetration of the Dhamma) will last for 5,000 years.
The Theravada school cannot satisfy 37 principles, since last Arahants (before the 15th century ad) were already Arahants with "bare insight" - Arahants without jhanas. Of the 37 principles, samadhi (jhanas) falls out.
What about Ajman bua?
dont think
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Re: Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?

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SarathW wrote: Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:43 amSotapanna is more than enough for me. :D
The thing I can't understand is how much effort should be put in order to become sotapanna.
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