Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?

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Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?

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Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?
- Where it is said?
- When will be the peak?
- What is the possible fate of other religions?
- Will there be a new religions grow bigger than all major religions?

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Cūḷavagga: Bhik­khu­nik­khan­dhaka wrote: If, Ānanda, women had not obtained the going forth from home into homelessness in the dhamma and discipline proclaimed by the Truth-finder, the Brahma-faring, Ānanda, would have lasted long, true dhamma would have endured for a thousand years. But since, Ānanda, women have gone forth … in the dhamma and discipline proclaimed by the Truth-finder, now, Ānanda, the Brahma-faring will not last long, true dhamma will endure only for five hundred years.
[url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PYMnAAAAQBAJ]Inaccuracies in Buddhist Women's History[/url] (p. 9) by Ven. Bhikkhunī Kūsuma wrote: When we examine the commentary to the Cullavagga, however, we find a discrepancy. The commentator, Buddhaghosa, leads us to a new scenario: "Like a great reservoir when bounded by a dam would retain water, in the same way these garudhammas have been promulgated by the Buddha ... so that through the going forth of women there will not be a decline to the dispensation. If the garudhammas had not been promulgated, the saddharma (true teachings) would have lasted only 500 years. Now, through the promulgation of the garudhammas, the saddharma will last another 500 years. Thus it will last 1,000 years." The commentary to the Cullavagga thus specifically contradicts the root text. While the Cullavagga reduces the lifespan from 1,000 years to 500, the commentary increases the lifespan from 500 years to 1,000. The reader becomes perplexed, wondering whether to believe the text or the commentary - or neither. Today the Buddha's teachings have been in existence for well over 2,500 years, which would seem to belie both predictions.

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In his commentary, Buddhaghosa eventually increases the life of the sāsana to 5,000 years. During the first 1,000 years, he says, there will be arahants with the four analytical knowledges. The next 1,000 years there will be "bare insight" arahants. The next 1,000 years there will be anāgāmin (non-returners). The next 1,000 years there will be sakadāgāmin (once returners) and the next 1,000 years there will be sotāpanna (stream enterers). Adding these figures together, we find that the paṭivedha (realization or penetration of the Dhamma) will last for 5,000 years.
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The question is: Will human-beings last 5,000 years?
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SarathW wrote: - What is the possible fate of other religions?
- Will there be a new religions grow bigger than all major religions?
In my opinion, there will probably be more syncretism with the mixing of various religions, religious beliefs, maybe some forming into large groupings. And there will be a huge increase in atheist/non-religious population group. And then of the traditional religions, most likely Islam and Christianity holding the largest numbers simply because they are the most active at proselytizing and discouraging conversion out of the faith. The Dhamma will gradually disappear or be so unrecognizable from syncretism and absorption with other beliefs.

From a Buddhist pov, all of this is to be expected in the cycle and evolution of times. Then the next Buddha will arise, Metteyya (Maitreya).
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tiltbillings wrote:The question is: Will human-beings last 5,000 years?
How about 500? :stirthepot:
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culaavuso wrote:
Cūḷavagga: Bhik­khu­nik­khan­dhaka wrote: If, Ānanda, women had not obtained the going forth from home into homelessness in the dhamma and discipline proclaimed by the Truth-finder, the Brahma-faring, Ānanda, would have lasted long, true dhamma would have endured for a thousand years. But since, Ānanda, women have gone forth … in the dhamma and discipline proclaimed by the Truth-finder, now, Ānanda, the Brahma-faring will not last long, true dhamma will endure only for five hundred years.
[url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PYMnAAAAQBAJ]Inaccuracies in Buddhist Women's History[/url] (p. 9) by Ven. Bhikkhunī Kūsuma wrote: When we examine the commentary to the Cullavagga, however, we find a discrepancy. The commentator, Buddhaghosa, leads us to a new scenario: "Like a great reservoir when bounded by a dam would retain water, in the same way these garudhammas have been promulgated by the Buddha ... so that through the going forth of women there will not be a decline to the dispensation. If the garudhammas had not been promulgated, the saddharma (true teachings) would have lasted only 500 years. Now, through the promulgation of the garudhammas, the saddharma will last another 500 years. Thus it will last 1,000 years." The commentary to the Cullavagga thus specifically contradicts the root text. While the Cullavagga reduces the lifespan from 1,000 years to 500, the commentary increases the lifespan from 500 years to 1,000. The reader becomes perplexed, wondering whether to believe the text or the commentary - or neither. Today the Buddha's teachings have been in existence for well over 2,500 years, which would seem to belie both predictions.

[ ... snip ... ]

In his commentary, Buddhaghosa eventually increases the life of the sāsana to 5,000 years. During the first 1,000 years, he says, there will be arahants with the four analytical knowledges. The next 1,000 years there will be "bare insight" arahants. The next 1,000 years there will be anāgāmin (non-returners). The next 1,000 years there will be sakadāgāmin (once returners) and the next 1,000 years there will be sotāpanna (stream enterers). Adding these figures together, we find that the paṭivedha (realization or penetration of the Dhamma) will last for 5,000 years.
i don't quite understand.. in the 1000 years of once returners, if you achieve that stage and die.. you'd return again and eventually become an arahant, right? same goes for stream enterers.
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MisterRunon wrote: i don't quite understand.. in the 1000 years of once returners, if you achieve that stage and die.. you'd return again and eventually become an arahant, right? same goes for stream enterers.
Apparently, the one future life would be in a deva realm, not on earth as a human. Once-returners are said to be reborn as humans or in a deva realm, but in most instances in the Canon, it was as a deva.
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In his commentary, Buddhaghosa eventually increases the life of the sāsana to 5,000 years. During the first 1,000 years, he says, there will be arahants with the four analytical knowledges. The next 1,000 years there will be "bare insight" arahants. The next 1,000 years there will be anāgāmin (non-returners). The next 1,000 years there will be sakadāgāmin (once returners) and the next 1,000 years there will be sotāpanna (stream enterers). Adding these figures together, we find that the paṭivedha (realization or penetration of the Dhamma) will last for 5,000 years.
Not that I fully accept the Commentary version, but just to put it in the Gregorian calendar format:

483 BCE to 517 CE = Arahants possible with the four analytical knowledges
517 CE to 1517 = Arahants possible with bare insight
1517 to 2517 = Only up to anagamis possible, no arahants (our current age)
2517 to 3517 = Only up to sakadagamis possible
3517 to 4517 = Only up to sotapannas possible

One advantage there would be if all Buddhists accepted this Commentary version of the future; there could be no claims to arahantship in our current age and we could immediately and summarily dismiss any claims without further review. :tongue:
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Or, you could ask a better question: How will I make Buddhism real right now, in my life?
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SarathW wrote:Will Buddhism survive for 5000 years?
- Where it is said?
- When will be the peak?
- What is the possible fate of other religions?
- Will there be a new religions grow bigger than all major religions?

:thinking:

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Maha-parinibbana Sutt:
"And if the monks dwell rightly, this world will not be empty of arahants."
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Above phrase is appear many times in the Sutta.


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Hi Kusala
It is only a warning sign.
It tells you what to do and what not to do to prevent deteriorating of the original teaching.
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alan wrote:Or, you could ask a better question: How will I make Buddhism real right now, in my life?
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the Tathāgata is not concerned with whether the entire world will be emancipated by his teaching or half of it or a third part. But the Tathāgata is aware that whosoever has been emancipated, is now emancipated or will be emancipated from the world,all these will do so by removing the five hindrances that defile the mind and weaken understanding, by firmly establishing their minds in the four foundations of mindfulness, and by cultivating the seven factors of enlightenment in their true nature.

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tiltbillings wrote:The question is: Will human-beings last 5,000 years?
I reckon you are tough enough to make it, tilt.
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The question is: Will human-beings last 5,000 years?
Wow! If the human realm shut down wouldn't this put a significant kink in the rebirth activity of the cosmos?
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