Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
It got to be the standard quote to say there is no self.daverupa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:34 pmNow this is really unwarranted; an amazing misunderstanding.bharadwaja wrote:atta-realization (nibbana)
AN 3.32 wrote:“Idhānanda, bhikkhuno evaṃ hoti: ‘etaṃ santaṃ etaṃ paṇītaṃ yadidaṃ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭinissaggo taṇhākkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānan’ti. Evaṃ kho, ānanda, siyā bhikkhuno tathārūpo samādhipaṭilābho yathā imasmiñca saviññāṇake kāye ahaṅkāramamaṅkāramānānusayā nāssu, bahiddhā ca sabbanimittesu ahaṅkāramamaṅkāramānānusayā nāssu; yañca cetovimuttiṃ paññāvimuttiṃ upasampajja viharato ahaṅkāramamaṅkāramānānusayā na honti tañca cetovimuttiṃ paññāvimuttiṃ upasampajja vihareyyāti.
Here, Ānanda, a bhikkhu thinks thus: ‘This is peaceful, this is sublime, that is, the stilling of all activities, the relinquishing of all acquisitions, the destruction of craving, dispassion, cessation, nibbāna.’ In this way, Ānanda, a bhikkhu could obtain such a state of concentration that he would have no I-making, mine-making, and underlying tendency to conceit in regard to this conscious body; he would have no I-making, mine-making, and underlying tendency to conceit in regard to all external objects; and he would enter and dwell in that liberation of mind, liberation by wisdom, through which there is no more I-making, mine-making, and underlying tendency to conceit for one who enters and dwells in it.
But self realization is realized from a body, by cultivation. In order to get into body then the gaze needs return to sense organ, the simple I-making is in external objects, you need return the senses inwards.
That quote is a intro to meditate body not the external objects, external objects are empty, there is a layer between external objects and first person view when you look out of the senses. Externalist percieves world differently and that quote is for those.