daverupa wrote:Spiny Norman wrote:daverupa wrote:It is not the case that Pure Land is describing jhana realms, or anything like them, nor is it describing destinations for non-returners; this is a false equivalency between the descriptors employed in either case (Nikaya v Pure Land), and is misleading.
The Pure Abodes do seem to crop up in a number of suttas - here's another:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html
Pure Abodes are for non-returners.
Please find any Pure Land Sutra, and show us what the requirements are for entry. We can then compare that to the qualities of a non-returner.
For example:Shorter Sukhāvatīvyūha Sūtra wrote:Pure Land Rebirth Mantra:
namo amitābhāya tathāgatāya tadyathā
amṛtod bhave amṛta siddhaṃ bhave
amṛta vikrānte amṛta vikrānta gāmini
gagana kīrta-kāre svāhā
For one who recites this mantra, Amitābha Buddha will constantly abide at the crown of the head, and after dying, he or she will be assigned this rebirth.
e.g. SN 22.89
I fail to see any similarity.
The similarity would be the goal - reaching the Pure Abodes. But clearly the methodologies are very different.
Broadening it out you could say the similarity of all Buddhist traditions is the goal - enlightenment. But again the methodologies of the various traditions are very different.
As for legitimacy I assume all practitioners would regard their own tradition and methodology as legitimate - it seems quite subjective to me.