I wasn't writing your post. I was trying get a handle on what you do and do not know about the Buddha's teaching. I have seen enough.curiosity wrote:How do you deny the existence of separate "experiencers"?
Are we all not experiencing different things?
I didn't write your posts, you didn't write mine, my questions are not popping into your head and vice versa.
So we are separate on that basis alone, this is undeniable.
I'd rather be reborn
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Re: I'd rather be reborn
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: I'd rather be reborn
Why do you have these questions?
Why do you need to know if "nature/reality/time" is cyclical?
Why do you want to know "How many spirits are out there, and how/why are they created?"
Why do you want to know what happens to you after death?
Why do you rely on notions of existence or non-existence?
Why do you speculate?
N.B. The second to third questions are posts that "Curiosity" has started him/herself, the rest are from my engagement with said person
Why do you need to know if "nature/reality/time" is cyclical?
Why do you want to know "How many spirits are out there, and how/why are they created?"
Why do you want to know what happens to you after death?
Why do you rely on notions of existence or non-existence?
Why do you speculate?
N.B. The second to third questions are posts that "Curiosity" has started him/herself, the rest are from my engagement with said person
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“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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That isnt denial though is itYou did, when I used the term "experiencer," responded with "Who?"
If I denied a person then yes, but I didnt say no-self I aimed at not-selfIs that not denial of the existence of an experiencer?
There is a difference
Maybe?
Did you write my posts or did you not?
You seem to lack any healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to the Sutta.
I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm going to assume I know a lot more about scepticism than you do
Aggripa, Sañjaya Belaṭṭhaputta, Sextus Empricicus, Carneades et al
It's interesting to see you read my mind as well with such childish statements like this "You seem to lack any healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to the Sutta."
No im askingCraig - Who are you? Please show who you are?
Being facetious again?
Who are you? Please show who you are?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
Re: I'd rather be reborn
For someone who is trying to be logical, you are failingWhy do you take everything written in a Sutta as a fact without question?
How do you know that I suscribe to rebirth, spirits in trees, nagas and devas, all found in the pali canon?
Maybe thats your illogical idea of what Buddhists are
Generalisations are hardly ever accurate
No, so where do you stand nowIf Buddha told you that there is a flying spaghetti monster made out of jelly beans living and dancing in your eyeball, would you believe him?
Because as a Buddhist I dont care about materialism, scepticism or jesus loversWhy do you find it acceptable to evade every question with either "who" "what" "why" or "it's pointless"?
Only Dukkha
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
Re: I'd rather be reborn
You also didnt answer why
Why do you want to know "How many spirits are out there, and how/why are they created?"
Why do you want to know what happens to you after death?
Why do you rely on notions of existence or non-existence?
Why do you speculate?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Also, if you are a true sceptic ( which you seem to try to be), you should doubt your own position
After all true scepticism is about collapsing in of itself and inducing Ataraxia
After all true scepticism is about collapsing in of itself and inducing Ataraxia
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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I see the evasion flows freely from you.
I'll ask again:
If there is no experiencer, then how is Dhamma experienced?
If there is no experiencer, then how is rebirth experienced?
If there is no experiencer, then how is Nirvana experienced?
If there is no experiencer, then who/what is experiencing your frustration? I'm not experiencing it, you (as a separate identity) are.
How do you deny the separateness of experiencers when we are experiencing different things?
Now now babes, lets play fair
I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine
So answer this first
Why do you want to know "How many spirits are out there, and how/why are they created?"
Why do you want to know what happens to you after death?
Why do you rely on notions of existence or non-existence?
Why do you speculate?
and i will then answer
If there is no experiencer, then how is Dhamma experienced?
If there is no experiencer, then how is rebirth experienced?
If there is no experiencer, then how is Nirvana experienced?
If there is no experiencer, then who/what is experiencing your frustration? I'm not experiencing it, you (as a separate identity) are.
How do you deny the separateness of experiencers when we are experiencing different things?
Give and take
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
Re: I'd rather be reborn
curiosity wrote:What is this position that you believe I hold?clw_uk wrote:Also, if you are a true sceptic ( which you seem to try to be), you should doubt your own position
After all true scepticism is about collapsing in of itself and inducing Ataraxia
I am merely poking holes in yours
I believe that you are sceptical, interested in Buddhism but curious and so you have problems with Buddhist metaphysics (as its generally understood) which I actually respect
Hence all your topic's revolving around self, life after death and metaphysics
Yet I might be wrong
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Poke awayI am merely poking holes in yours
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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