David N. Snyder wrote:I show the quotes above to show a general theme running through all of your posts. I have them quoted separately, all real quotes from you and they are not pieced together in any way to change any meanings; just to show the general theme in your posts.
Numerous posters have adequately responded to your questions and it is quite obvious that no answer no matter how logical and rational the answer, it will not satisfy you. It is apparent that you have no interest in pursuing Buddhism, in my opinion and you are just here to try and debunk it, no matter how miserably you have failed. You refuse to give it a try; what more needs to be said? You are going in circles making the same claims about how Buddhism is no better than blah, blah, how there is no proof that there are any arahants, that Buddha existed, etc., etc. You never responded to my question / response of giving it a try and see if there is less suffering as you progress. It seems you already have your mind made up.
I have seen this several times.
When you question people` s beliefs, maybe a little bit too harshly as I maybe did, you get into the following steps:
1. people trying to reply to you
2. people forcefully reply to you
3. people gets irritated at you
4. people accuse you to be trolling
5. you get banned
This has happened to me in various places, such as Christian forums where reaching point 5 is very fast.
Here so far I have been treated respectfully, but I already see people mildly irritated at mild behavior (point 3.) and some veiled accusation of trolling (point 4.).
Since I see no point in being banned, I will end up my conclusion here.
Just let me tell you that I had no intention whatsoever to troll, and no intention of being disrespectful.
I am also a very busy person and I have no time to lose so really I did not mean to troll.
My genuine concern was to find out if there was any solid ground (or, I would say, any ground at all) to believe in Buddhism Theravada.
So far, I could not find any.
What I have been told is to work on a series of teachings that have been said to be written in the past and hat according to some ancient belief may lead to something called Enlightenment in my 6th or 7th life.
Not only there is no solid ground to believe that such things called "Enlightenment" is there, but there is also no ground to believe that a Buddha ever existed.
It is true that just this would not satisfy me.
Yes, it may be true that practicing for a few years or decades you may get some "insight" over yourself (as Christians, Muslims, Yogi, Hindus also claim), but I would not consider this as a proof of being freed from suffering, certainly it would not be any proof of being freed from boredom, which would be unbelievably heavy burden had anyone to go to meditate for years.
And boredom is just another form of suffering, is not it?
So so far, I see Christians and Theravada Buddhism on the same level of requiring blind faith.
I still have some hopes on Zen Buddhism, where you can reasonably get at least satori in this life.
But it is just a hope.
I will still try to go to Thai and see if I can get something else than the usual: "Please come here and practice for the rest of your life so that after your 7-th rebirth you may get Nirvana".
Maybe I will be getting some realistic insight.
If not, Theravada Buddhism will also be closed story for me.
This is it.
If someone has some actual evidence to present me, from direct experience or anything else, please feel free to PM me, I will enjoy reading your thougths here in the near evidence
For "evidence", I mean some lasting attainment, not just the usual "I practice Theravada and now I feel better"
Catholics and Muslims also say the same.
Again, sorry for talking too straightforward, you will excuse me.