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YES man philosophy

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:03 am
by purple planet
Smart not smart - and how it resembles buddhism ? what points does it have in common with buddhism ?

ready...... set .... debate

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:29 am
by James the Giant
Great idea in a movie and a semi-fictional book.
Bad idea in reality.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:45 pm
by purple planet
What about this simlarity with buddhism - in buddhism you should "watch" and not react based on feelings (more or less) and it resembles saying yes to everything without judging - to accept everything as it comes without denying it

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:11 pm
by DNS
purple planet wrote:What about this simlarity with buddhism - in buddhism you should "watch" and not react based on feelings (more or less) and it resembles saying yes to everything without judging - to accept everything as it comes without denying it
In that context, yes, it is similar. When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was about the typical usage of the term "yes man" of saying yes to everything your boss says, no matter how inept it might be. In that sense, it would be considered being untruthful, not coming out with your true feelings and thoughts just to please your boss. A good boss will accept some constructive criticism.

Being a yes man at work can have catastrophic results as I am reminded of how Gen. Powell and Tony Blair went along with George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq when you know these are intelligent people who wouldn't have approved of that on their own but did so only to please their "boss".

Saying yes to things that come up in meditation, thoughts, sensations, etc., then YES is a good practice as long as it is not 'encouraging' to unwholesome thoughts.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:12 pm
by convivium
that's a movie not a philosophy. read nietzsche.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:36 am
by James the Giant
purple planet wrote:Smart not smart - and how it resembles buddhism ? what points does it have in common with buddhism ?
Actually, reflecting on it more, I do remember when the book first came out, I vowed to say YES to all social invitations, parties, dinners, etc. My social life went very well for some time after that... I went to some parties I didn't enjoy, many that I did enjoy, and I did sleep with more women than I would have otherwise.
I wasn't Buddhist back then.
So, it can have a good effect I guess, if you apply it wisely unlike what I did.
As for resembling Buddhism... I can't think of any particular ways.

Maybe in meditation, a letting go meditation, saying Yes to all things that arise, and letting them come and go...

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:41 am
by James the Giant
convivium wrote: read nietzsche.
Do not read Nietzsche.
Possibly the most unwholesome European philosopher. Ever.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:16 am
by Polar Bear
James the Giant wrote:
convivium wrote: read nietzsche.
Do not read Nietzsche.
Possibly the most unwholesome European philosopher. Ever.
His Ubermensch in Thus Spoke Zarathustra does seem to be rather unlike the Arahant. Still, I think reading Nietzsche is interesting. I would recommend it (even if only to see how wrong view leads to wrong release).

:anjali:

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:28 am
by convivium
i am studying nietzsche at berkeley and enjoying it a lot. he's misinterpreted (by nazis, by 13 year olds, etc). you have to study schopenhauer to get nietzsche. and you have to know kant to get schopenhauer.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:46 am
by convivium

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:46 am
by James the Giant
convivium wrote:i am studying nietzsche at berkeley and enjoying it a lot. he's misinterpreted (by nazis, by 13 year olds, etc). you have to study schopenhauer to get nietzsche. and you have to know kant to get schopenhauer.
oh to be 18 again!

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:50 am
by convivium
there are 60 year olds in my class. nietzsche and schopenhauer isn't easy philosophy.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:53 am
by convivium
i don't mean to sound ageist.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:00 am
by Polar Bear
convivium wrote:i am studying nietzsche at berkeley and enjoying it a lot. he's misinterpreted (by nazis, by 13 year olds, etc). you have to study schopenhauer to get nietzsche. and you have to know kant to get schopenhauer.
He is misinterpreted quite often, but I would still consider his philosophy as antithetical to buddhist practice/philosophy. For one, Nietzsche's moral philosophy rejects the notion that the skillful/wholesome and the unskillful/unwholesome is or can be the same for all and one for a variety of reasons. Second, the eternal recurrence has rather obvious implications that make the buddhist path rather silly to undertake. Third, he considered buddhist practice life denying.

Re: YES man philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:14 am
by convivium
Nietzsche's moral philosophy rejects the notion that the skillful/wholesome and the unskillful/unwholesome is or can be the same for all and one for a variety of reasons. Second, the eternal recurrence has rather obvious implications that make the buddhist path rather silly to undertake. Third, he considered buddhist practice life denying.
i don't have time to write an essay here. you have to read nietzsche with a lot of context in mind; you have to try understand and relate to him like you would a friend. the first point has to take into account common sense. the second point doesn't seem in any way anathema to buddhist practice if you don't construe it metaphysically. and the third point: the goal of the deathless qua escape from the cycle of rebirths is life denying.