tiltbillings wrote: I have already answered your "voice" question, but I see that you refuse to answer mine: Where does the Buddha teach such a thing?
I'am sorry, my answer is:
No, the voice is not the voice of "nothing", it's not what i want to show you. No, i dont know any sutta of Buddha where he tell that voice of "nothing" is Nibbana.
Actualy, this question, about "if you hear your voice", was asked not to put your intention on the voice itself, but on "what is knowing" this voice.
It's true that the voice itself, and the consciosness of it, is impermanent, but, if you do it right, you will be able to see the nature of consciosness, to push off on your voice (any dhamma), and by this reflection of consciosness-light, jump into your self, see/feel the base, on wich all sankharas and dhammas are based, the impenetrable ground beyound impermanence.
You will see that there is peace, calm, permanence, clarity, light, freedom, Nibbana...
Buddha not teach about voice, it's just a tool, it's just the way that i saw it, so i just try to show you it, and get your opinion.
Dont zap quotations from Udana, read all what is following, and i hope you will be able to understand what i mean.
Ud 8.1-4 : Nibbāna Sutta — Parinibbana.
There is that dimension, monks, where there is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of space, nor dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension of nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor staying; neither passing away nor arising: unestablished, unevolving, without support [mental object]. This, just this, is the end of stress.
It's hard to see the unaffected,
for the truth is not easily seen.
Craving is pierced
in one who knows;
For one who sees,
there is nothing.
There is, monks, an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated. If there were not that unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, there would not be the case that escape from the born — become — made — fabricated would be discerned. But precisely because there is an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, escape from the born — become — made — fabricated is discerned.
One who is dependent has wavering. One who is independent has no wavering. There being no wavering, there is calm. There being calm, there is no yearning. There being no yearning, there is no coming or going. There being no coming or going, there is no passing away or arising. There being no passing away or arising, there is neither a here nor a there nor a between-the-two. This, just this, is the end of stress.