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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by tiltbillings » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:30 am

Digity wrote:Is masturbaring once in a while really that bad?
Yes. You will burn in everlasting hellfire.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Ben » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:07 am

tiltbillings wrote:
Digity wrote:Is masturbaring once in a while really that bad?
Yes. You will burn in everlasting hellfire.
Well, at least you'll be warm.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Aloka » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:27 am

dhammapal wrote: Yes I've read the teaching that if headed for a human rebirth then during the death-rebirth process one watches a mother and father having sex.
That's a Tibetan Buddhist Bardo teaching -and the lamas say that when ready to be reborn one is attracted to a couple copulating somewhere, one is filled with lust and fascination for the sex-act and thus drawn into the mother's womb. (note that there's an "I" experiencing all of that)

So if that's true, better switch off your computer porn, and do some jogging instead, because it might be a couple of cockroaches you get attracted to!

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Dan74 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:37 am

Ben wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
Digity wrote:Is masturbaring once in a while really that bad?
Yes. You will burn in everlasting hellfire.
Well, at least you'll be warm.
well, if you are pining for sunny Ballarat, I was there just a week ago and it was minimum 0°. Brass monkey weather, as my old mate Chris used to say.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Ben » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:54 am

Dan74 wrote:
Ben wrote: Well, at least you'll be warm.
well, if you are pining for sunny Ballarat, I was there just a week ago and it was minimum 0°. Brass monkey weather, as my old mate Chris used to say.
As you know I used to live in Ballarat then Creswick. It snowed there. Damn cold in winter and stifling hot in summer. When I came to Tasmania I spent my first winter outside in a t-shirt.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by maverick » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:54 am

Digity wrote:Is masturbating once in a while really that bad?
Not only masturbating, any thing you like doing again and again and again .... is bad.
For example ..... If you like eating apple to the point that you crave for it .... its bad.

Its same as the person getting addicted toward the sensation they get after drinking / smoking. Any likeness / dis likeness toward anything is BAD.
With Feeling as condition, Craving arises
With Craving as condition, Clinging arises
With Clinging as condition, Becoming arises
With Becoming as a condition, Birth arises
With Birth as condition, Aging and Dying arise
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Digity » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:06 am

maverick wrote:
Digity wrote:Is masturbating once in a while really that bad?
Not only masturbating, any thing you like doing again and again and again .... is bad.
For example ..... If you like eating apple to the point that you crave for it .... its bad.
Does that mean if I like to meditate every morning that's bad too? I don't think so. Not all desire is bad. Besides, I don't like your usage of the word "bad". I think unskillful is better, because unwholesome desires can tend to lead to problems. However, desire has its place. You might just feel hungry and your body is telling you that you need to eat. Is that "bad"? I wouldn't say so. I think to some degree we need to be discerning and see which of our desires help us and which hold us back. In that sense, masturbating could be a problem since it can be tied in with sexual obsession, etc. At some point in ones spiritual development maybe they can drop masturbation off, since they've developed their mindfulness enough that they can sit through the urge. However, I think that's asking a bit much of someone in the beginning and I don't think it helps when you condemn their actions and call it "bad".

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Dan74 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:46 am

"Desire is bad" is only going to get your twisted into more knots rather than get rid of desire. That's why the Buddha prescribed equanimity and insight, rather than aversion.

It's like in meditation - if you get distracted, notice and return, rather than produce more papanca on top of it.
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by whynotme » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:22 am

For monks, masturbation is sanghadisesa offence, wet dream is innoccent
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by dhammapal » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:33 am

Day 21.

I think I have a handle on lust for visual nudity. In the Art Gallery bookshop I refrained from looking at life drawing and human anatomy books, figuring that they don't have the balanced view that includes the impure parts like blood, liver and contents of the stomach.

On the way home I had to change trains by crossing a platform. In my haste I bumped into two attractive young women, one of whom let out a sexy squeal. I am 6'5" and only 155 pounds but I have strong ch'i from practicing the Alexander Technique. Body contact is a deeper indulgence than looking at nude photos, the temptation of which I'll have to work with.

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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Buckwheat » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:41 am

Purple Planet,
I do not have experience with long-term total celibacy. However, in my two stays at monasteries (only 7-10 days each) I had very little difficulty refraining from lust. I had never gone 3 days without relieving my lust, and suddenly 7-10 days with no problem. I think a large part of it has to do with the routine. First, there are very few stimulating sensations and activities... not just sexual, but no computers, no internet, no music, no pretty lights, no dramatic stories, no dirty jokes. Combined with a schedule loaded with physical labor and meditation, all of the keeping busy with not-so-stimulating activity makes celibacy relatively easy. Combine that with exercises to divert the sexual energy and cultivating insight to uproot the deeper causes of lust, and I can see how a monk might resist absolutely, although it would still be a chore (cleaning the sheets, that is).
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Re: Porn Free for 90 Days

Post by Ben » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:11 am

Dear all,

I think its time to close this thread for awhile.
You are welcome to contact me if you want to restart this thread and I will consider your request.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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