Question about Theravada tradition

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Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 9:10 pm

How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Khalil Bodhi » Mon May 28, 2012 9:17 pm

This is a pretty sticky topic but it may be more accurate to turn the question on its head and ask how the Mahayana and Vajrayana become distinct traditions largely without reference to the Pali Canon. Let the controversy begin anew... :tongue:
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Alex123 » Mon May 28, 2012 9:42 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks
Didn't Mahayana and Vajrayana develop AFTER Theravada?
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:36 pm

I didn't think it was a hot topic. :popcorn: Theravada must be regionally Indian where Gautama Buddha lived and died - Mahayana and Vajrayana must have been "introduced" to Tibet, parts of Asia, and China.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:38 pm

Alex123 wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks
Didn't Mahayana and Vajrayana develop AFTER Theravada?
Yes, I think so. Or maybe parallel along the same time <?>

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Maitri » Mon May 28, 2012 10:46 pm

Alex123 wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks
Didn't Mahayana and Vajrayana develop AFTER Theravada?
That depends on who you ask. For example in the T'ien T'ai (Tendai) chronological categories, the Avatamsaka Sutra was taught first right after the Buddha achieved Enlightenment. Modern scholarship will disagree with this.

Theravada states that the first teachings was the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta. So I guess it's important to ask from which view are you investigating this question.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by SDC » Mon May 28, 2012 10:50 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:How did Theravada tradition become distinct from Mahayana & Vajrayana tradtions? . .thanks
Because people interpret things differently and can't come to an agreement.

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Wesley1982 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:56 pm

Of course, Theravada tradition can be looked up on Wikipedia but its better to discuss it.

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by SDC » Mon May 28, 2012 11:55 pm

Wesley1982 wrote:Of course, Theravada tradition can be looked up on Wikipedia but its better to discuss it.
Since this topic can be exhausting, has been discussed many times before, and you are a new member, it may help if you give a few reasons why you want to have this discussion. Just an idea.

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Wesley1982 » Tue May 29, 2012 12:50 am

SDC wrote:
Wesley1982 wrote:Of course, Theravada tradition can be looked up on Wikipedia but its better to discuss it.
Since this topic can be exhausting, has been discussed many times before, and you are a new member, it may help if you give a few reasons why you want to have this discussion. Just an idea.
I spent some time over at the other Dharma Wheel forum before coming here. Did not know this would be a hot topic

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by tiltbillings » Tue May 29, 2012 1:27 am

It is not a hot topic. It is now in the "Open Dhamma" section.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by SDC » Tue May 29, 2012 1:29 am

Wesley1982 wrote:Did not know this would be a hot topic
Definitely not hot, just very broad.

EDIT - Sorry for coming off like a cynical pr*#k.
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by Polar Bear » Tue May 29, 2012 1:42 am

When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?
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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by retrofuturist » Tue May 29, 2012 1:48 am

Greetings,
polarbuddha101 wrote:When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?
Presumably when they felt the need to differentiate themselves from those who didn't?

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Re: Question about Theravada tradition

Post by SDC » Tue May 29, 2012 1:53 am

polarbuddha101 wrote:When did followers of the Dhamma-Vinaya start calling themselves Theravadins?
Probably when they realized that by just calling themselves "Buddhist" meant that they believed in everything that was classified as Buddhism; of which there was a great deal that they did not agree with.

EDIT - Retro beat me.

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