Signs of Kali Yuga

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by Will » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 pm

chownah wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 am

As I mentioned in a previous post I have not seen anything brought here that shows a connection between kali yuga and theravada. Is there one?.....and if so can you describe it?
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The second sentence describing this Connections forum says: "What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?"
So if you have learned anything, it is that there is zero connection that you can find. Why keep repeating your lesson learned?
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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by cappuccino » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:28 am

Buddha was born at midnight in terms of the larger time scale

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by chownah » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:39 am

Will wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 am

As I mentioned in a previous post I have not seen anything brought here that shows a connection between kali yuga and theravada. Is there one?.....and if so can you describe it?
chownah
The second sentence describing this Connections forum says: "What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?"
So if you have learned anything, it is that there is zero connection that you can find. Why keep repeating your lesson learned?
But I have not learned any lesson. Are you giving the lesson now? Are you saying that there is no connection to theravada? Are you prosletyzing for kali yuga?

One could discuss how many new agers (are there still new agers around.....they must have mostly become old agers by now) embrace the concept of kali yuga and then fill this thread with new age religion.....it would not have anything to do with theravada but you could just keep looking for a connection and when you found none you could think that the purpose of the discussion was well achieved....I guess....don't know for sure.....

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:00 am

Greetings Will,
Will wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 am

As I mentioned in a previous post I have not seen anything brought here that shows a connection between kali yuga and theravada. Is there one?.....and if so can you describe it?
chownah
The second sentence describing this Connections forum says: "What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?"
So if you have learned anything, it is that there is zero connection that you can find. Why keep repeating your lesson learned?
I would think it's upon you, as the OP, to at least explain the connection, as you see it, regardless of whether or not other members see a connection themselves.

Otherwise, there is no defined connection, and the topic is therefore invalid.

(Apologies if you've already done that - I've not been closely following this topic...)

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Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by Will » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:35 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:00 am
Greetings Will,
Will wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 am

As I mentioned in a previous post I have not seen anything brought here that shows a connection between kali yuga and theravada. Is there one?.....and if so can you describe it?
chownah
The second sentence describing this Connections forum says: "What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?"
So if you have learned anything, it is that there is zero connection that you can find. Why keep repeating your lesson learned?
I would think it's upon you, as the OP, to at least explain the connection, as you see it, regardless of whether or not other members see a connection themselves.

Otherwise, there is no defined connection, and the topic is therefore invalid.

(Apologies if you've already done that - I've not been closely following this topic...)

Metta,
Paul. :)
I have put in bold type the sentence that some Admin put in to describe the 2nd purpose of this Connections forum. I read that to mean that a connection to Theravada is only one factor, "learning from other traditions" is also a purpose. If that is true, then why would the topic be invalid? If not true, then correct or delete that sentence in bold.

However, if one must fulfill the 'connection' requirement, Theravada & Mahayana share the same fourfold series of time cycles from the Sramana tradition. Therefor the 'connection' is that the yuga cycles & the Buddhist cycles both are fourfold & both are endless cycles & both have up & down cycles of spiritual ascent & degeneration. (I mistakenly thought this connection was obvious, considering that my second post mentioned it.) "Buddhism & Jainism use a repeating series of four kappas (kalpas). But the time span differs from the Yugas."
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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:36 pm

Greetings Will,
Will wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:35 pm
However, if one must fulfill the 'connection' requirement, Theravada & Mahayana share the same fourfold series of time cycles from the Sramana tradition. Therefor the 'connection' is that the yuga cycles & the Buddhist cycles both are fourfold & both are endless cycles & both have up & down cycles of spiritual ascent & degeneration. (I mistakenly thought this connection was obvious, considering that my second post mentioned it.) "Buddhism & Jainism use a repeating series of four kappas (kalpas). But the time span differs from the Yugas."
:thanks:

Yes, the "connection" aspect is primary. Where it is not, there is Dharma Paths.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by Will » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:42 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:36 pm
Greetings Will,

:thanks:

Yes, the "connection" aspect is primary. Where it is not, there is Dharma Paths.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Then clarify by changing second sentence to: "What can we learn from our connections to other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:48 pm

Greetings Will,

Better still, I'll change...
Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
to...
Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
... so the sentence cannot be taken out of context. OK...

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by chownah » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:54 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:48 pm
Greetings Will,

Better still, I'll change...
Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
to...
Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
... so the sentence cannot be taken out of context. OK...

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
The problem as I see it is that sometimes a connection of limited scope can be suggested and that connection is then used to justify a thread which just turns into a long exposition of some path (like prosleyzilng....how is that word spelt?) having nothing really to do with theravda or any connection to theravada.

How about something like "Exploring the connections between theravada and other paths, traditins, religions, and philosophies." This might tend to focus the discussion on the connection rather than let the discussion drift on the ocean of the other path. Also you might add something like "This is not a place to wander on the ocean of other paths, traditions, religions, or philosohies."....or something which specifically shows that the intent is to limit the discussion to the connection.....

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by auto » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:45 pm

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN10_72.html
“Just now, lord, the thought occurred to those venerable ones, ‘These many very well-known Licchavis—racing after one another in auspicious vehicles, making a shrill noise, a great noise—are plunging into the Great Forest to see the Blessed One. Now, the jhānas are said by the Blessed One to be thorned by noise. What if we were to go to the Gosiṅga Sāla forest park? There we would live comfortably, with next-to-no noise, next-to-no crowding.’ So those venerable ones went to Gosiṅga Sāla forest park. There they are living comfortably, with next-to-no noise, next-to-no crowding.”
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/DN/DN16.html
Responding, “As you say, sire,” to Ajātasattu Vedehiputta, the King of Magadha, Vassakāra the brahman, the chief minister of Magadha had auspicious vehicles yoked, got into an auspicious vehicle, left Rājagaha with the auspicious vehicles and drove toward Vulture Peak Mountain. Going in his vehicle as far as there was ground for a vehicle, getting down from his vehicle, he approached the Blessed One on foot. On arrival, he exchanged courteous greetings with the Blessed One. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he told the Blessed One, “Ajātasattu Vedehiputta, the king of Magadha, Master Gotama,2 shows reverence with his head to Master Gotama’s feet and asks whether you are free from illness & affliction, are carefree, strong, & living in comfort. Master Gotama, Ajātasattu Vedehiputta, the king of Magadha, wants to attack the Vajjians. He says: ‘I will cut down these Vajjians—so mighty, so powerful! I will destroy the Vajjians! I will bring these Vajjians to ruin—these Vajjians!’”
Its possible that there were tribes with tribe technology riding with horses and elephants and amongst them lived some with advanged technology

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by Ren » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:45 am

Will wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:55 pm
This world has cycles of degeneration as well as Golden Ages. It is plain we are now not in a Golden Age as Plato called it. Here is a little list from the Indian tradition, giving the vice-ridden character that is growing in power over many. Kali Yuga began roughly 5000 years ago & is supposed to last for more than 400,000 years more.

https://mailchi.mp/exoticindia/hindu-te ... 1e463501ce
Math is way off. ~3 to ~30 years from today.

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by Ren » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:09 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:45 am
(...)

The Yugas are as fictitious and metaphorical as the story of Genesis or Valhalla in Norse mythology. Makes as much sense to argue about it as trying to find the relics of Noah's Arc.
(...)
:namaste:
Norse mythology is no fiction.

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Re: Signs of Kali Yuga

Post by Ren » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:11 am

chownah wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:39 am
Will wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 pm
chownah wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 am

As I mentioned in a previous post I have not seen anything brought here that shows a connection between kali yuga and theravada. Is there one?.....and if so can you describe it?
chownah
The second sentence describing this Connections forum says: "What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?"
So if you have learned anything, it is that there is zero connection that you can find. Why keep repeating your lesson learned?
But I have not learned any lesson. Are you giving the lesson now? Are you saying that there is no connection to theravada? Are you prosletyzing for kali yuga?

One could discuss how many new agers (are there still new agers around.....they must have mostly become old agers by now) embrace the concept of kali yuga and then fill this thread with new age religion.....it would not have anything to do with theravada but you could just keep looking for a connection and when you found none you could think that the purpose of the discussion was well achieved....I guess....don't know for sure.....

chownah
Only anagamis survive. Kali Yuga is mostly maha brahma's delusion, however, start date matches baktun 13, year 2555.

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