Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by auto » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:08 pm

nice vid

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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by salayatananirodha » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:26 pm

mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:51 am
salayatananirodha wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:41 am
Hilarious?
One of the hilariously bad translations of the early English translation era.... :tongue:

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I just didn't see what was so bad about it :rolleye:
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by mikenz66 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:34 pm

salayatananirodha wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:26 pm
mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:51 am
salayatananirodha wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:41 am
Hilarious?
One of the hilariously bad translations of the early English translation era.... :tongue:

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Mike
I just didn't see what was so bad about it :rolleye:
Really? Meditation as hypnosis or trance? Clearly not an experienced-based translation as others gave already noted.

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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by salayatananirodha » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:55 pm

I didn't believe they were translating meditation as hypnosis. Or else you would find meditation translated by them as hypnosis in other suttas. I think the kasiṇas are just used for samatha.
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


links:
https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/index.htm
http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html

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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by mikenz66 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:20 pm

salayatananirodha wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:55 pm
I didn't believe they were translating meditation as hypnosis. Or else you would find meditation translated by them as hypnosis in other suttas. I think the kasiṇas are just used for samatha.
Samatha isn't hypnosis, whether one is using breath, kasina, mettaor some other object....

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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by chownah » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:30 am

I think it somewhat odd that people are comparing hypnosis to meditation when it seems to me that it is unlikely that they can answer the questions: 1. What exactly is hypnosis or what exactly are the various kinds of hypnosis and how do they work?...and 2. What exactly is meditation or what exactly are the various kinds of meditation and how do they work?

I've never seen convincing answers to those questions and without those answers I think it is impossible to make a comparison.
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Re: Did Buddha ever know about the hypnotism?

Post by auto » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:14 pm

hypnotism is fake as the headline is suggesting. It is biological mechanism.

This vid roasts fake mystics.

It isn't mean against the past life memory hypnotism, it kind of supports that it could be possible, see the cat and cucumber example. Supposedly that function where you are in that state past memories are fed, cats fear of snakes will be carried via that state onto next generations. So the cat gets scared of when seeing a cucumber because it for a moment reminds snake.

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