Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.

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Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.

Post by SarathW » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:54 am

Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.
Just sitting ten hours is a waste of time.
The best time to sleep is after 4.00am.
You can meditate about one hour at 7.00am. It is more productive.
Observing precepts are more important than meditation to attain enlightenment.

Is this a fair criticism?
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Re: Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.

Post by binocular » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:02 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:54 am
Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.
Just sitting ten hours is a waste of time.
Is this a fair criticism?

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Post by rightviewftw » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:09 am

not sure where from
Staying Uncomfortably

Then the Blessed One addressed the monks, “These worthless men, having spent the Rains uncomfortably, claim to have spent the Rains comfortably.

“Having spent the Rains in cattle-like affiliation, these worthless men claim to have spent the Rains comfortably.

“Having spent the Rains in sheep-like affiliation, these worthless men claim to have spent the Rains comfortably.

“Having spent the Rains in heedless-affiliation, these worthless men claim to have spent the Rains comfortably.

“How can these worthless men undertake a vow of dumb silence, the undertaking of sectarians?

(Mv.IV.1.13) “Monks, this neither inspires faith in the faithless …”

Having rebuked him and given a Dhamma talk, he addressed the monks:

“The vow of dumb silence, the undertaking of sectarians, is not to be undertaken. Whoever should undertake it: an offense of wrong doing[2]
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Re: Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.

Post by Dinsdale » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:45 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:54 am
I'm currently logging in at a public library with limited time, and it's not practical for me to watch long videos like this. Are you able to briefly summarise his opinion?
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Post by chownah » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:15 am

rightviewftw wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:09 am
Sutta
Staying Uncomfortably
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I think you are mistaken and this is not a sutta.
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Post by SarathW » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:54 pm

I'm currently logging in at a public library with limited time, and it's not practical for me to watch long videos like this. Are you able to briefly summarise his opinion?
Sorry about that.
I generally use videos as props to stimulate the discussion on a particular topic.
It is not necessary to watch the whole video to have your opinion.
By the way, I revised my OP.
If someone can summarise better please feel free do so.
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Post by Saengnapha » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:44 am

binocular wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:02 am

Who's paying this guy's bills?
The same people who bought the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Post by JamesTheGiant » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:06 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:45 am
I'm currently logging in at a public library with limited time, and it's not practical for me to watch long videos like this. Are you able to briefly summarise his opinion?
The video is of a Jain guru saying how to get enlightened, according to his Jain-Hindu beliefs. Why anyone should take a guru from another religion as an authority on how to practise Buddhism, is a question indeed.

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Post by Crazy cloud » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:18 am

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:06 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:45 am
I'm currently logging in at a public library with limited time, and it's not practical for me to watch long videos like this. Are you able to briefly summarise his opinion?
The video is of a Jain guru saying how to get enlightened, according to his Jain-Hindu beliefs. Why anyone should take a guru from another religion as an authority on how to practise Buddhism, is a question indeed.
See your point here, but in my experience it's a skillful mean to put my self to the test (or the teachings), and let so called "Gurus" carpetbomb my "sati" with anything. If it doesn't stand that kind of testing, then I have something to check out some more

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Post by SarathW » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:32 am

Why anyone should take a guru from another religion as an authority on how to practise Buddhism, is a question indeed.
Agree.
With your experience why monks have to get up 4.00am to do meditation.
Aren't many of them half asleep?
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Re: Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.

Post by Dinsdale » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:36 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:54 pm
I'm currently logging in at a public library with limited time, and it's not practical for me to watch long videos like this. Are you able to briefly summarise his opinion?
Sorry about that.
I generally use videos as props to stimulate the discussion on a particular topic.
It is not necessary to watch the whole video to have your opinion.
By the way, I revised my OP.
If someone can summarise better please feel free do so.
So is he criticising a particular method of meditation ( "vipassana" ), or just saying you don't need to meditate for long periods?
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Post by SarathW » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:49 am

just saying you don't need to meditate for long periods
What he saying is that the quality of meditation is more important than the quantity.
I agree with his principle but in practice, this may not work.
A beginner may need long hours of practice to break old habits.
In my case, I have never done formal sitting meditated more than thirty minutes due to my back pain.
However, I spent many hours studying and contemplating Dhamma.
As you may have noticed I am in Dhamma Wheel 24X7.
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Post by chownah » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:58 pm

If vipassana is not the way to enlightenment is it the way to the hell realms?

I don't think that there is any one word that is the name for the way to enlightenment. IF there was such a thing with a word for its name then I'm sure that the budddha would have known it and taught about it directly.
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Re: Vipassana is not the way to enlightenment.

Post by binocular » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:46 pm

SarathW wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:32 am
With your experience why monks have to get up 4.00am to do meditation.
Aren't many of them half asleep?
Then why are they monks?
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