Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
binocular wrote:But did Potthila see himself as exalted over others and believed that others owed it to him to subject themselves to him?
Where do comments like this come from?
It's a straightforward question. Hierarchies are normal. Dependence is normal. And in some cultures, they are expressed openly.
For example, up until the 1950's in the countryside here, it was common for Catholic priests to hold out their hand to be kissed by the lay person. And still, by Roman Catholic doctrine, the Roman Catholic priest is to be regarded as good as Jesus himself; ie. when you meet a Catholic priest, you're supposed to think you're meeting Jesus. Hence there is a specific greeting for the layperson for the Catholic priest, which literally means 'Praised be Jesus' and that "Jesus" refers to the priest.
I am familiar with the Catholic system because I come from a Catholic country. I imagine something similar could exist in other cultures, this is why I asked.
Similar can be found in some Asian religions. For example, in some schools of Hinduism, the guru must be regarded as equivalent to God, and they even spell it out like that at initiation ceremonies.
Similar in society at large: police officers, judges, teachers, parents, bosses expect obedience and submission from those below; people seeing themselves as exalted over others and believing that others owe it to them to subject themselves to them is nothing special.
I said, "But did Potthila see himself as exalted over others and believed that others owed it to him to subject themselves to him?"
But what several of you seem to see written instead is something like, 'But did Potthila -- what a haughty, worthless man! -- see himself as exalted over others and believed that others owed it to him to subject themselves to him?'
That is your doing, not mine.
Why do you react in this way to a simple example of a monk who could teach others to attain the Path without actually having fully practised it himself.
Why do you react that way, by assuming I have some evil intent or a chip on my shoulder?
Where do you find people talking like omnipotent, omniscient popes?
Oh dear. Have you noticed the objectivist style that many posters here and Buddhist teachers in general speak in? Like they have it all figured out.
Your posting history is actually less voluminous than mine and a lot less than Mkoll's over our membership of this forum, but that's not the case for the last six months.
Do try to find and remove the toad that swells up
It has nothing to do with Darwin.
Read my posts. I have never said that hierarchies are bad or wrong. It's your democratic, egalitarian, humanist sensitivites reading that into my posts.
Hierarchies are normal. Dependence is normal. I would only prefer that people would be more open about these things, so that everyone can know their place.