Mr Man wrote:
1)"By the fourth day the mind is calmer and more focused, better able to undertake the practice of Vipassana itself:
observing sensations throughout the body, understanding their nature, and developing equanimity by learning not to react to them."
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By this logic Anapanasati is synonymous with vipassana, as is any other meditation technique taught. They use a particular techneque as a foundation to build vippassana upon
, and the underlined (particularly the bold words) do not support your clam. Rather your quote fits the description (in italic) written just a moment ago in this post.
2)To quote tiltbillings "So, as a matter of clarification, you are saying that the sweeping technique is not a vipassana practice" from this I infer that he believes it is (synonymous).
You understood this differently and in line with the underlined part earlier. Although you did misunderstood "And the "isolation" has been explained."
for an acceptance; for some reason missing the quotation marks.
It seams you have a conclusion and are forcing things to fit so as to be evidence, rather that seeing facts and forming a hypothesis based upon them.
Cittasanto wrote: you have repeatedly claimed Goenka is isolationistic, yet after a page of discussing it and my explaining they are no different to anyone else,
But they are different. I don't agree with your explanation.
then to continue with the part you snipped out.
"your only evidence was that they don't want the technique taught in a place that is eclectic. you haven't shown they are different from other groups here."
but I will correct this
you havn't shown they are different from other groups in any way other than a not agreeing with mixing up styles. which considering the new age mix&match blunders that have happened, it is understandable.
Cittasanto wrote: Teachers who led retreats in the Monastery I was at, always were from the circle of monasteries in some way.
But the abbot is happy to go and teach at IMS Barre. I don't imagine that he believes he is performing the "work of Mara" when he teaches there. They are also happy to have monks/teachers from outside there circle teach there.
He had in the past, but that doesn't negate what I have fully expressed regarding this isolationist claim as far as you are able to show.
Cittasanto wrote: in other words "don't step up to bat, then cry about having the ball thrown at you."
A rather strange an analogy in my opinion.
as with many things you don't show why it is and snip context that helps explain it.
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