Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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alan wrote:Nice, fijiNut. But was the sutta you posted referring to mindfulness instructions?
Are you going to suggest that SN 22.122 doesn't?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Not being virtuous myself, I'll have to leave that up to you.
Are these basic instructions about mindfulness?
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alan wrote:Nice, fijiNut. But was the sutta you posted referring to mindfulness instructions?
Since it needs to be spelled out to you in obvious black and white:

There are things that are the basis for the enlightenment factor of mindfulness: frequently giving careful attention [yoiniso manasikara] to them is the nutrient for the arising of the unarisen enlightenment factor of mindfulness and for the fulfillment by development of the arisen enlightenment factor of mindfulness. - SN V 65 CDB 1569.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Thanks tilt.
So the sutta fijiNut quoted: did it refer to basic mindfulness instructions?
The sutta you quoted: is it in that context?
Thanks for pointing things out in black and white. I do appreciate that.
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alan wrote:Thanks tilt.
So the sutta fijiNut quoted: did it refer to basic mindfulness instructions?
The whole thing is there to be read.
The sutta you quoted: is it in that context?
It would seem so.


Interesting to see you working to keep this thread alive.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Hi tilt,
I'm only working to understand.
Lock the thread now if it does not please you. You have that option.
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alan wrote:Hi tilt,
I'm only working to understand.
Lock the thread now if it does not please you. You have that option.
Whether it pleases me or not has nothing to do with anything. Keep in on point, please.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Sure.
Just asking about the sutta you quoted. Context would be nice.
"It would seem so" might make sense to some, but please forgive my ignorance. I'm just learning. And you are the big expert. So for all of those reading who are still learning, would you please explain?
Thanks.
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alan wrote:Sure.
Just asking about the sutta you quoted. Context would be nice.
"It would seem so" might make sense to some, but please forgive my ignorance. I'm just learning. And you are the big expert. So for all of those reading who are still learning, would you please explain?
Thanks.
The question is do I want to type out the text in detail? No. Other things to do, and it will not change the point that yoniso manasikara is used in context of helping establish mindfulness practice. If you have Ven Bodhi's translation, it is referenced easily enough for you. Right now I have some irregular verbs to learn.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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Interesting point about the sutta mentioned................

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

........is that it states that this practice leads to jhana.

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Brizzy wrote:Interesting point about the sutta mentioned................

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

........is that it states that this practice leads to jhana.
Oh, no; how terrible.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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A Correspondence between B. Alan Wallace and the Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi -
"The Nature of Mindfulness and Its Role in Buddhist Meditation"


http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
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Journey wrote:A Correspondence between B. Alan Wallace and the Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi -
"The Nature of Mindfulness and Its Role in Buddhist Meditation"


http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
Thanks. That is worth looking at.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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tiltbillings wrote:
Journey wrote:A Correspondence between B. Alan Wallace and the Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi -
"The Nature of Mindfulness and Its Role in Buddhist Meditation"


http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
Thanks. That is worth looking at.

Sure is.
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Hi Journey,
Journey wrote:A Correspondence between B. Alan Wallace and the Venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi -
"The Nature of Mindfulness and Its Role in Buddhist Meditation"


http://shamatha.org/sites/default/files ... ndence.pdf
Thank you for posting that. It is very illuminating.

Best Wishes,
Mike
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