Life Sux

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Life Sux

Post by Tree » Fri May 21, 2010 3:41 am

"Life Sux". Is this a modern and accurate description of the first noble truth?

We are told these days to be Positive. To me that is confirmation that Life Does Suck. But the soluton given is to actively create a state of denial and shift the mind's focus to 'joy/please/thrills'. "BE MORE POSITIVE!" :juggling:

But I believe that Buddha would say: "But guys! Life still sux!". Your delusion/denial is only a bandaid at best.

He is saying that we need to work hard to escape the Life (that Sux) permanently. No mor eendless Kalpas of Re-Births.

So does Life Suck?

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Ben » Fri May 21, 2010 3:44 am

No
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Life Sux

Post by Pannapetar » Fri May 21, 2010 4:02 am

I doubt this in an accurate interpretation. "Life sucks," sounds more like the assessment of a depressed teenager or a French existentialist who had too much Pernod instead of the word of the Buddha. It would lead to nihilism.

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Re: Life Sux

Post by retrofuturist » Fri May 21, 2010 4:23 am

Greetings,

I agree with Ben and Thomas.

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Metta,
Retro. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Goofaholix » Fri May 21, 2010 4:31 am

The Buddha didn't teach that life sux, however that we create suffering for ourselves and others through our attitude.

So you could say perhaps that there is suffering because our attitude sux, the Buddha's teaching is mostly about changing our attitude.
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.” ― Ajahn Chah

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Anicca » Fri May 21, 2010 4:40 am

Tree wrote:So does Life Suck?
The Big B's Four Realities ala 2010:
1) Sucking exists.
2) Sucking has a start.
3) Sucking has an end.
4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.

So - It doesn't have to - depends on your kamma and how you live it.

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Goofaholix » Fri May 21, 2010 4:41 am

Anicca wrote:4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.
A new set of false teeth!
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.” ― Ajahn Chah

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Anicca » Fri May 21, 2010 4:44 am

Goofaholix wrote:
Anicca wrote:4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.
A new set of false teeth!
:toast:

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Dan74 » Fri May 21, 2010 5:16 am

Goofaholix wrote:
Anicca wrote:4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.
A new set of false teeth!
:clap:
_/|\_

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Wind » Fri May 21, 2010 5:53 am

Goofaholix wrote:The Buddha didn't teach that life sux, however that we create suffering for ourselves and others through our attitude.
Actually it's through our craving. And since birth is dukkha, life sux is not that off in my opinion.

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Re: Life Sux

Post by cooran » Fri May 21, 2010 6:37 am

Hello Tree, all,

The Buddha never taught that "Life is suffering".

He taught that "There is suffering".

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Ben » Fri May 21, 2010 6:41 am

Thank you Chris for pointing out that very important distinction.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Shonin » Fri May 21, 2010 9:35 am

Also 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'unreliability' may be a better translation than 'suffering'.

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Re: Life Sux

Post by Sanghamitta » Fri May 21, 2010 9:45 am

Shonin wrote:Also 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'unreliability' may be a better translation than 'suffering'.
Or maybe not.
Better to internalise the meaning of Dukkha, as it appears in the context of the Suttas imo.
Just as we all have with "Kamma" or " Metta".
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Re: Life Sux

Post by Shonin » Fri May 21, 2010 9:56 am

Sanghamitta wrote:
Shonin wrote:Also 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'unreliability' may be a better translation than 'suffering'.
Or maybe not.
Better to internalise the meaning of Dukkha, as it appears in the context of the Suttas imo.
Just as we all have with "Kamma" or " Metta".
It was from studying suttas and commentaries on suttas that I arrived at this provisional understanding. Dukkha seems to have a range of meanings which don't always correspond exactly to our concept of 'suffering'.

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