convivium wrote:do wet dreams count as brahmacariya?
convivium wrote:So the main methods dealing with sexual suppression and desire are so far...
contemplation of loathsomeness/charnel ground
hard work/busy schedule/little sleep
one meal a day
not seeing women
the rest of the eightfold path...
Do many Therevada monastics & initiates have issues of sexual suppression? Are these approaches usually sufficient to renounce all forms of sexuality?
convivium wrote:this is particularly on my mind, because i'm considering ordination, and i've never been chaste for more than 6 months...
Sexual feelings are not going to go away as long as you have a body. Best learn to be mindful.
There are always going to be problems Convivium when we take one aspect of our totality out of context.
("Now what, monks, is noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions? Any singleness of mind equipped with these seven factors — right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, & right mindfulness — is called noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions....)
"And what is the right action that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions? Abstaining from killing, from taking what is not given, & from illicit sex. This is the right action that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions.
"And what is the right action that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The abstaining, desisting, abstinence, avoidance of the three forms of bodily misconduct of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is without effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right action that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.
"One tries to abandon wrong action & to enter into right action: This is one's right effort. One is mindful to abandon wrong action & to enter & remain in right action: This is one's right mindfulness. Thus these three qualities — right view, right effort, & right mindfulness — run & circle around right action. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
If you are saying you've gone for 6 months without masterbating or having intercourse as an adult male then I think you've achieved more than most of us could lay claim to and will find being a monk a breeze.
YAY! i've broken vows in the past, but this has serious punishments so yr probably right. and other people supporting and trusting in us, and so on.Seriously if you ordain somewhere with a good standard of vinaya I think you'll find that you'll take the rules seriously enough that you won't even consider breaking a major rule like this.
So are meteor showers and tidal waves; all elements of nature... that's why these practices, and also understanding anicca, anatta dukkha, and so on, are here before gradual eradication, & insight, in paths beyond stream entry.The practice is about realising the empty nature of these kinds of cravings and that they don't control you.
convivium wrote:thankfully i was never molested......
convivium wrote:the point is kids can't have sex at six months unless they're molested. since i've been able to i have. like most kids i grew up with in america.
maybe what your really trying to say jc, is "be you as children." we must embrace the positivity in life with a childlike enthusiasm. sexuality isn't necessarily a corruption, but the way we learned it. but it's not needed for arahatship...
do re mi fa so la ti do. it's like trading candy for gold. listen to that talk i posted if you'd care to. right concentration, right mindfulness become our substitutions, and then we can establish higher and higher gnosis of right view. in order to revisit sex, beyond the extent to what i've experienced, and found dissatisfaction in, and not get entangled, then it is necessary to be brahmacariya very firmly anyway, and have sex for other reasons than pleasure i.e. tantrayana. but for this life, not to suppose or concern with anything beyond, i need to stay celibate and pursue arahatship. i don't have the paramis to not get entangled in the desire and the intention to use tantrayana as a dangerous means to create the vajrasatva and other bodies to help save all beings and really light up samsara before parinibbana which is it's function and the only real function ultimately in line with buddhism. to cop out to kama-tanha is something my heart insistently won't let me do. that's the only way i can live without regret and affectation. my dignity, etc pretty much lies in following the path to this extent. when i don't keep this foundation it's not me doing it and it kills a part of me and opens me up to all kinds of mara. everyone's sankaras are different but listening inside, and listening to the teachings of all the masters this is clear enough. not to say that we can't advance on the path without brahmacariya, but ultimately the importance of overcoming sexual desire needs to be comprehended to that extent if not beyond...what is the point in just searching out other ways to fill the craving
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