the great rebirth debate

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Re: Bonjour

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun May 06, 2018 11:26 pm

And another said: 'One's six sense-organs are the first end, the other six outer objects are the second, consciousness is in the middle, and craving is the seamstress. ... ' ... re.pts.htm

“Dependent on the eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises. The meeting of the three is contact. With contact as condition there is feeling. What one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one thinks about. What one thinks about, that one mentally proliferates. With what one has mentally proliferated as the source, perceptions and notions [born of] mental proliferation beset a man with respect to past, future, and present forms cognizable through the eye.

“I tell you, friend, that it is not possible by traveling to know or see or reach a far end of the cosmos where one does not take birth, age, die, pass away, or reappear. But at the same time, I tell you that there is no making an end of suffering & stress without reaching the end of the cosmos. Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos.”
It’s not to be reached by traveling,
the end of the cosmos—
And it’s not without reaching
the end of the cosmos
that there is release
from suffering & stress.

So, truly, the wise one,
an expert with regard to the cosmos,
a knower of the end of the cosmos,
having fulfilled the holy life,
knowing the cosmos’ end,
doesn’t long for this cosmos
or for any other.

Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox.

Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow.
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5 ... 34/?type=3 ... allytaught

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the great rebirth debate

Post by rightviewftw » Mon May 07, 2018 12:25 am

i suspect L. being a naive/direct realist because
1. has not said anything that would make me think otherwise
2. claims to have an infallable scientific understanding of reality
3. Does not believe in god-creator
4. Claiming existence of a thing if existence of properties can be established
I am curious if true, more or less like this definition

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Re: Bonjour

Post by Layt » Mon May 07, 2018 2:48 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 10:31 pm
Layt wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 10:29 pm
I don't deal with that kind of crappy metaphysical questions, they're stupid and useless.
Let's talk science then ;
Do you accept the copenhagen interpretation of the double slit experiment?

Because it is still very much unclear what you mean by reality, existence and consciousness. Saying "reality is all that exists" does not really answer what exists or provide a referent for what is reality without defining existence. A non-answer. If you were to define all that exists by reality, that would be rhetoric of tautology a self-reinforcing pretense.

So a fair question would be what is it that exists? And on what ground do you assume it's existence? Therefore i asked about the hallucination.

If "reality is all that exists", then the word craving exists and is ie a means of describing the activation of the dopamine network, when the craving for X is conditioned it can be said to arise in as far as the electrochemical reactions occur, due to the electrochemical reactions the behavior is determined, therefore craving affects reality in a cause and effect manner. In other words craving for X leads to seeking out and obtaining X, craving is a condition for seeking out, without craving reality would be altered.

If you want to keep talking about how craving does or does not condition/alter reality post-mortem we have to determine the exact nature of existence and consciousness in particular.
Like I said, existence is qualities, qualities is interdependence, interdependence is multiplicity... and the sum of these multiplicity is reality/the universe. Consciousness is just the act of integrating a cognition into the flow of perceptions. The flow of perceptions is just a bunch of chemicals exchanged between synapses, hallucinations etc are caused by substances that attach themselves to the synapses' receptors.

You talk about reality as if it were your own perceptions, that's not what reality is. A tree exists even if you're not looking at it. You seriously gotta stop with the Matrix dude, like for real. Get out of your house, there're people outside, and they don't need you to look at them in order to exist.

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Re: Bonjour

Post by rightviewftw » Mon May 07, 2018 3:12 pm

Layt wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 2:48 pm
are you still in high school? I ask because neither your science nor behavior seems to transcend what one would expect of a high school student.
"a high and mighty disdain for all discussion of abstract ideas is simply another form of mental confusion"

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