Life after life

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Is it possible according to Theravada doctrine that attainment and understanding of the dhamma from this life could transfer to the next? If not, is it possible that understanding and attainment could leave an "imprint" that has an effect on later lives?
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how we condition our minds is lasting……


that's why karma is a law
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how we condition our minds is lasting……
So, do you mean that we will start the next life with the training and understanding from this one?
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simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:11 pm Is it possible according to Theravada doctrine that attainment and understanding of the dhamma from this life could transfer to the next? If not, is it possible that understanding and attainment could leave an "imprint" that has an effect on later lives?
Finding and following the Dhamma in this life is the result of past kamma in another life. My understanding is that if you are an ardent Buddhist all your life but with no insight and then die if you regain the human state and encounter the Dhamma again you will "get it" faster and with more depth and understanding.

That's how I understand it at any rate.
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My understanding is that if you are an ardent Buddhist all your life but with no insight and then die if you regain the human state and encounter the Dhamma again you will "get it" faster and with more depth and understanding.
Alright, by what mechanism could this happen?
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simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:34 pm
My understanding is that if you are an ardent Buddhist all your life but with no insight and then die if you regain the human state and encounter the Dhamma again you will "get it" faster and with more depth and understanding.
Alright, by what mechanism could this happen?
One making attempts to understand dhamma in this life is also cultivating the faculty of wisdom along with the other 4 faculties.

Investing time in learning the dhamma is conditioning the citta with wholesome kamma, by these wholesome roots, conditioning of the citta a powerful faculty of wisdom will arise in the next life.
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Investing time in learning the dhamma is conditioning the citta with wholesome kamma
OK, by virtue of wholesome kamma then...
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simsapa wrote:
how we condition our minds is lasting……
So, do you mean that we will start the next life with the training and understanding from this one?
the tendency you cultivate will continue…


for example, drinking alcohol conditions the mind


then leads to mental illness (in the next life)
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simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:34 pm
My understanding is that if you are an ardent Buddhist all your life but with no insight and then die if you regain the human state and encounter the Dhamma again you will "get it" faster and with more depth and understanding.
Alright, by what mechanism could this happen?
It is a mechanism beyond the scope of words. It is possible to know this mechanism experientially - loaded word but I don't have a better word just now. This knowing can arise in numerous ways as a direct result of sustained and daily practice where attention is placed squarely and firmly on the manifold phenomena occurring in the here-and-now both internally and externally - bodily phenomena and worldly phenomena respectively. Just to illuminate this further: the mechanism is happening in this very instant and that is where you will find knowledge of the bigger picture.
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simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:11 pm Is it possible according to Theravada doctrine that attainment and understanding of the dhamma from this life could transfer to the next?
If this were not possible then attaining sotapanna in this life would have to be repeated interminably in future lives and liberation would never be attained.
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SteRo wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:27 pm
simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:11 pm Is it possible according to Theravada doctrine that attainment and understanding of the dhamma from this life could transfer to the next?
If this were not possible then attaining sotapanna in this life would have to be repeated interminably in future lives and liberation would never be attained.
If one progresses fast in this live then that's due to attainment in former lives. E.g. If sotapanna has been attained in past life then one might progress very very fast to sotapanna in this life because sotapanna has already been attained in past life. In this way attainments of past lives are the basis of higher attainments in future lives.

Therefore: NO RIGHT EFFORT IS IN VAIN. Even the tiniest attainments won't be lost. It is great fortune to have found Buddha Dhamma. And even this fortune depends on right conditions and right conduct in past lives.
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It is a mechanism beyond the scope of words. It is possible to know this mechanism experientially - loaded word but I don't have a better word just now. This knowing can arise in numerous ways as a direct result of sustained and daily practice where attention is placed squarely and firmly on the manifold phenomena occurring in the here-and-now both internally and externally - bodily phenomena and worldly phenomena respectively. Just to illuminate this further: the mechanism is happening in this very instant and that is where you will find knowledge of the bigger picture.
Interesting.
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simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:11 pm Is it possible according to Theravada doctrine that attainment and understanding of the dhamma from this life could transfer to the next? If not, is it possible that understanding and attainment could leave an "imprint" that has an effect on later lives?
I dont see why not. Texts state that Jatissara knowledge, or the ability to recall prevoius existences do exist for some people. I dont see why if you learned it in a previous life you wouldnt remember dhamma if you happened to remember that existence. I would say most likely possible.
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In Bhagavad Gita of hinduism. It is said that your effort of practice in this life will not go in vain and will be continued in next life.
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simsapa wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:11 pm Is it possible according to Theravada doctrine that attainment and understanding of the dhamma from this life could transfer to the next? If not, is it possible that understanding and attainment could leave an "imprint" that has an effect on later lives?
That is in general the question if Buddhas teachings of dependent arising (of consciousness etc.) are true.

You may want to differentiate knowledge/insight you actively have to provoke from knowledge which is (more ore less stable) established and leads your actions even when you don't consider their quality (in terms of wholesome, unwholesome, or none of both).

An example: there is a difference between one who simply cant't lie and one who has to 'remember' that lying is no good/unwholesome.

The more 'intuitive' one does good deeds and avoids bad deeds the more likely is such arising of consciousness. That goes for the opposite too.
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