Explanation about 4 Snake Goups in the Ahi Sutta

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Explanation about 4 Snake Goups in the Ahi Sutta

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Hi,

Can someone explain to me the four snake groups given in the Ahi Sutta? I need to have a good textual basis to understand who they are in the modern names. (Virupakkha and etc.

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canadianbuddhist wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:17 pm
Hi,

Can someone explain to me the four snake groups given in the Ahi Sutta? I need to have a good textual basis to understand who they are in the modern names. (Virupakkha and etc.
should be celestial world snakes... if its indian region snake it shoulld be same as now today
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Looks as though they are nagas.

What do you mean by "modern names"?

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canadianbuddhist wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:16 pm
Hi,

Can someone explain to me the four snake groups given in the Ahi Sutta? I need to have a good textual basis to understand who they are in the modern names. (Virupakkha and etc.
In ahina sutta too the same about nagas are mentioned. Though 4 groups of Nagas with Virupakka with erapatha and two others , It is mentioned that Virupakka is the ruling Nagas.
However this sutta specifies about the loving kindness towards all types of beings with two legs, 4 legs and creepers.
Only Virupakka is being mentioned as significant leaders of Nagas.

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Bhikkhu Bodhi does not translate the four names of snakes in the Numerical Discourses (Ahirāja Sutta, A.ii.72)

Under the article on Erāpatha in the Dictionary of Pali Proper Names, it says:
For their own protection, monks are advised to fill their hearts with amity for these four classes of Nāgā. A.ii.72; Vin.ii.109 f.
On my website the Khandha Parittaṃ translates as follows:
  1. Virūpakkha = Cobras
  2. Erāpatha = Pythons
  3. Chabyāputta = Vipers or adders
  4. Kaṇhāgotamaka = Black Gotamas(no attempt to translate this term)
The source is a Burmese chanting book if I recall correctly.
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Thank you bhikkhu Pesala. Could you also let me know how you named them? any textual references?

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As I said, the source was a Burmese Chanting Book, if I recall correctly.

There are many types of lethal snakes in India today. The python is not poisonous, but large pythons might perhaps strangle a sleeping monk, so it would be wise to send mettā to pythons as well as to cobras, vipers, and other venomous snakes. IMO it would be impossible to reliably translate these terms nowadays.

Stay safe, and send mettā to all creepy crawlies just in case.
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The Khanda Paritta chant, with text and translation is included here--Nice chant to have in your back pocket if you encounter creepy crawlies, of if you'd rather not encounter whatever a "Black Gotamaka" is, as Bhante mentioned!

https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/Chant ... n0054.html

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