Did the Buddha die?

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by SteRo » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:05 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:38 pm
In the Dona Sutta, the Buddha says he will not be reborn in any realm, which equates to liberation from samsara, the end of the cycle of birth and death.

However he doesn't say what, if anything, will happen to him. Possibly he just ceased to exist, though I'm not sure that's clear from the suttas.

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by WindDancer » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:13 pm

Where I am on the Path, I keep an open mind on issues related to what happens after death of the Buddha, what happens after our death, what happens after we experience Nibbana and so on; however I do not get fixated on these issues. I believe it is likely the Buddha did not explain what happens because we lack a frame of reference to be able to comprehend the deathless while we our living in a worldly existence.

No words can describe what it is like until we have the experience. After we have the experience, no words are needed.

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by cappuccino » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:05 pm

Dinsdale wrote: However he doesn't say what, if anything, will happen to him. Possibly he just ceased to exist, though I'm not sure that's clear from the suttas.
he said what Nirvana is

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by cappuccino » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:15 pm

It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End, the Truth, the Other Shore, the Subtle, the Everlasting, the Invisible, the Undiversified, Peace, the Deathless, the Blest, Safety, the Wonderful, the Marvellous, Nibbæna, Purity, Freedom, the Island, the Refuge, the Beyond.
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by confusedlayman » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:21 am

cappuccino wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:15 pm
It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End, the Truth, the Other Shore, the Subtle, the Everlasting, the Invisible, the Undiversified, Peace, the Deathless, the Blest, Safety, the Wonderful, the Marvellous, Nibbæna, Purity, Freedom, the Island, the Refuge, the Beyond.
~ S 43.1-44
Don’t take it as eternalism
non-agitation is highest peace
living unaffected by other cause and condition to suffering is true bliss
not associating with stupid people is immediate peace
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:29 am

confusedlayman wrote:
Don’t take it as eternalism
you don't know what eternalism is
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by confusedlayman » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:31 am

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:29 am
confusedlayman wrote:
Don’t take it as eternalism
you don't know what eternalism is
What is it? Something stays sane forever is eternalism. Correct me
non-agitation is highest peace
living unaffected by other cause and condition to suffering is true bliss
not associating with stupid people is immediate peace
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:32 am

the quality of being unchanging


the same identity, the same person from year to year

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:16 am

cappuccino wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:05 pm
Dinsdale wrote: However he doesn't say what, if anything, will happen to him. Possibly he just ceased to exist, though I'm not sure that's clear from the suttas.
he said what Nirvana is
In the Dona Sutta the Buddha says he will not be reborn in any realm, having attained Nibbana.
"Birth is ended, the holy life is done".
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by Ceisiwr » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:54 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:16 am
cappuccino wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:05 pm
Dinsdale wrote: However he doesn't say what, if anything, will happen to him. Possibly he just ceased to exist, though I'm not sure that's clear from the suttas.
he said what Nirvana is
In the Dona Sutta the Buddha says he will not be reborn in any realm, having attained Nibbana.
"Birth is ended, the holy life is done".

Sadly for cappuccino he has this view where Nibbana is a realm that the Buddha and Arahants enter into with their permanent special consciousness thingy.
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by SteRo » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:33 pm

Ceisiwr wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:54 am
Sadly for cappuccino he has this view where Nibbana is a realm that the Buddha and Arahants enter into with their permanent special consciousness thingy.
That view might be skillful for some, so it's not necessarily sad. We see a multitude of different views in this forum, mostly essentialist ones, and quotes of monks teaching eternalist views on top of that.
Eventually all views have to vanish, be it in this life or any of the lives to come. Until then all views may serve an individual purpose.

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by chownah » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:16 pm

SteRo wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:33 pm
Eventually all views have to vanish, be it in this life or any of the lives to come.
A view is a mental event. It vanishes as soon as the mind turns to other matters. Views are arising and vanishing almost constantly.
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:26 pm

chownah wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:16 pm
SteRo wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:33 pm
Eventually all views have to vanish, be it in this life or any of the lives to come.
A view is a mental event. It vanishes as soon as the mind turns to other matters. Views are arising and vanishing almost constantly.
chownah
I think self-view is an exception here.
But what's your view on the OP question?
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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:30 pm

Ceisiwr wrote: Sadly for cappuccino, he has this view where Nibbana is a realm that the Buddha and Arahants enter into with their permanent special consciousness
I suppose your view is something like annihilation

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Re: Did the Buddha die?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:59 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:30 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Sadly for cappuccino, he has this view where Nibbana is a realm that the Buddha and Arahants enter into with their permanent special consciousness
I suppose your view is something like annihilation
"What happens to a Tathagata after death" is one of the unanswered questions in the suttas. It's clear from the Dona Sutta that there is no further rebirth, but does that imply annihilation?
Do you know of any suttas which clarify this question?
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